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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Not much can counter some of the nasty handloads I've seen. I'm just starting to load 5.7 for my fiveseven and ps90. Turns armor into Swiss cheese. Tough to load.
    ceramic and steel trauma plates do. it stops SS109 Green tip 556mm which is nastier than the 5.7



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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ceramic and steel trauma plates do. it stops SS109 Green tip 556mm which is nastier than the 5.7
    Looks like he is busted.
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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    There is nothing in the 2nd that prohibits a state from enacting laws for the proper transport of a weapon in a motor vehicle.
    Except that, "shall not be ingringed" part of the 2nd Amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except that, "shall not be ingringed" part of the 2nd Amendment.
    Well, this arrest was POST McDonald, so you need to cite a case POST where such MV law is UNconstitutional.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    Well, this arrest was POST McDonald, so you need to cite a case POST where such MV law is UNconstitutional.
    1) if the constitution had been properly interpreted throughout history, the 2A would NOT apply to the states

    2) however, after the 14th was held to apply some of the BoR to the states, the McDonald decision was correct based on that post civil war jurisprudence

    3) most justices, judges and politicians KNOW that many of the gun control laws DO VIOLATE the second amendment

    4) however, these political animals BELIEVE that the restrictions are beneficial to either

    a) society

    b) their constituents

    c) their political viability

    so they allow certain degrees of infringements to remain even though if you shot them full of scopolamine they would admit a violation

    that being said, certain use violations probably would survive any challenge. improperly discharging a firearm would survive (such as shooting pigeons on the city square during a crowded lunchtime. brandishing weapons in a court room. Hunting in the off season and of course using a weapon to facilitate many different crimes are ll actions that I believe can constitutionally be restricted or sanctioned.



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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Right TD, I also see no constitutional problem with this;

    2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.


    (A) No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm while in or on a motor vehicle.

    (B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.

    (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:

    (1) In a closed package, box, or case;

    (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;

    (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;



    (E) No person who has been issued a concealed handgun license, who is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as a result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose or is the driver or an occupant of a commercial motor vehicle that is stopped by an employee of the motor carrier enforcement unit for the purposes defined in section 5503.34 of the Revised Code, and who is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle or commercial motor vehicle in any manner, shall do any of the following:

    (1) Fail to promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the vehicle while stopped that the person has been issued a concealed handgun license and that the person then possesses or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle;

    (2) Fail to promptly inform the employee of the unit who approaches the vehicle while stopped that the person has been issued a concealed handgun license and that the person then possesses or has a loaded handgun in the commercial motor vehicle;

    (3) Knowingly fail to remain in the motor vehicle while stopped or knowingly fail to keep the person's hands in plain sight at any time after any law enforcement officer begins approaching the person while stopped and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the failure is pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by a law enforcement officer;

    (4) Knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person's hands or fingers in the motor vehicle at any time after the law enforcement officer begins approaching and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the person has contact with the loaded handgun pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by the law enforcement officer;

    (5) Knowingly disregard or fail to comply with any lawful order of any law enforcement officer given while the motor vehicle is stopped, including, but not limited to, a specific order to the person to keep the person's hands in plain sight.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    Well, this arrest was POST McDonald, so you need to cite a case POST where such MV law is UNconstitutional.
    The Constitution says it's unconstitutional.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Constitution says it's unconstitutional.
    The textual constitution, or the case law?

    The answer is none of them apply.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He was pulled over for speeding-that was PC to stop the car. To ask about the weapons due to the bumper sticker?

    I think the cop is going to be sustained on this one but I was noting what the defense should be
    Asking if there are weapons in the car is pretty standard during a traffic stop which doesn't necessarily consitute a "search." Just asked a question. The prob cause for the search was the officer noticing a gun handle between the guys legs after the guy said there are so weapons in the car. Pretty solid probable cause.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Asking if there are weapons in the car is pretty standard during a traffic stop which doesn't necessarily consitute a "search." Just asked a question. The prob cause for the search was the officer noticing a gun handle between the guys legs after the guy said there are so weapons in the car. Pretty solid probable cause.
    Did you miss my comment that the cop is going to be sustained (i.e. his search upheld) on this one?



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