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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Poor choice of emoticons. What is funny about this story?

    Also, on the "Brain Dead is Really Dead" front:


    Hospital fined after "brain dead" woman that they were prepping for organ harvest wakes up
    Again, this was a case that proper protocols were not followed - and not followed on a multitude of levels. They did not try to clear the drugs from her system. They did assure CNS depressents were cleansed from the body before declaration .Hell, they didn't even listen to the nurse who said she was improving. Is there any kind of assumption that McMath's declaration of brain death was outside of proper protocols?

    One good thing can come of the McMath case. With all of the media scrutiny, I will bet that hospitals are looking over protocols and procedures for declaring brain death to assure dead is dead. No hospital wants that kind of media scrutiny.

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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I guess we should be unreasonably sceptical of all forms of death diagnoses then, rather than it being rare clinical error.


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    Are we clear that that list has nothing to do with accurate declaration of brain death? If proper protocols are used it is a very involved process. Declaration of death otherwise just requires no pulse no breathing no reflexes.

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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Are we clear that that list has nothing to do with accurate declaration of brain death? If proper protocols are used it is a very involved process. Declaration of death otherwise just requires no pulse no breathing no reflexes.
    Twas sarcasm. Death can be misdiagnosed no matter how you do it.

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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Poor choice of emoticons. What is funny about this story?

    Also, on the "Brain Dead is Really Dead" front:


    Hospital fined after "brain dead" woman that they were prepping for organ harvest wakes up
    I thought the "She's doing great" was funny because, you know, brain dead...My Grandfather is doing great too, except for being dead for 5 years.


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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I usually get in trouble in this section but I'll give it another shot.

    (CNN) -- A person who is brain dead may appear alive -- there may be a heartbeat, they may look like they're breathing, their skin may still be warm to the touch. But doctors say there is no life when brain activity ceases.

    Why brain dead is really dead - CNN.com


    I'm sure you've heard the story of the little girl from California who went in for minor tonsil surgery and due to complications was eventually declared "brain dead." A very sad event indeed but further complicating the tragedy is her parents don't seem to understand what brain dead means.

    About 10 years ago a elderly family friend experienced a similar fate. A blood clot in his leg traveled through his body, lodged in his lungs and his wife found him passed out on the floor. He'd apparently gone about 20 minutes with no oxygen getting to his brain, was on a ventilator at the hospital and declared brain dead. He looked like he was sleeping and would even toss and turn a little but according to the doctors his brain had died and absent a miracle he could not regain consciousness. From a medical science perspective, respirators and feeding tubes only keep organs alive although the person is in all other respects deceased.

    Its not a pleasant topic to discuss but Jahi McMath's passing, as tragic as it is, I think presents a teaching opportunity.
    Gosh, I don't know if that's they don't understand, but imagine how difficult it must be to come to terms with this. Your healthy little girl goes in to get her tonsils out and ends up being brain dead because of bad reaction to anesthesia. I can't imagine what these parents are going through, and maybe they just need some time to come to terms with it.

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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Again, this was a case that proper protocols were not followed - and not followed on a multitude of levels. They did not try to clear the drugs from her system. They did assure CNS depressents were cleansed from the body before declaration .Hell, they didn't even listen to the nurse who said she was improving. Is there any kind of assumption that McMath's declaration of brain death was outside of proper protocols?

    One good thing can come of the McMath case. With all of the media scrutiny, I will bet that hospitals are looking over protocols and procedures for declaring brain death to assure dead is dead. No hospital wants that kind of media scrutiny.
    Right, but in the McMath case her heart has continued to beat long past where it would normally stop for a person suffering brain death. The heart usually stops beating after 72 hours. Her's has been beating for a month. This would be an indication that the brain isn't actually dead and is at least continuing to send signal to the heart.
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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Brain dead means dead as a doornail. All you see is blood oxygenating the heart, making the deceased appear alive.
    Its something that is difficult to grasp for a lay person, esp when they are on an emotional roller coaster.

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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Right, but in the McMath case her heart has continued to beat long past where it would normally stop for a person suffering brain death. The heart usually stops beating after 72 hours. Her's has been beating for a month. This would be an indication that the brain isn't actually dead and is at least continuing to send signal to the heart.
    Some article I read on the subject pointed out that because she's young - most brain people are apparently much older - this is expected.

    In any case the LA Times, I think it was, reported yesterday that her body is deteriorating rapidly.
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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Some article I read on the subject pointed out that because she's young - most brain people are apparently much older - this is expected.

    In any case the LA Times, I think it was, reported yesterday that her body is deteriorating rapidly.
    Then the family will say goodbye their way rather than have the government order it. Good.
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    Re: Why brain dead means really dead

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Right, but in the McMath case her heart has continued to beat long past where it would normally stop for a person suffering brain death. The heart usually stops beating after 72 hours. Her's has been beating for a month. This would be an indication that the brain isn't actually dead and is at least continuing to send signal to the heart.
    She's also been on life support, and I suspect that functions of life would stop without the machines.

    This is a simple case of keeping the evidence there for the lawsuit that's coming, IMO.


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