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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No. Show me data and stats-hopefully to dont intend to appear to be advocating policy without data to back you.

    My dad is a european immigrant, we have lots of family still there. Its not all sunshine and rainbows.

    Facts, friend-put em up. Its too important for "well people I know say".

    Do a little looking yourself and you will see for yourself..
    Here's a start..How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much - Forbes

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Do a little looking yourself and you will see for yourself..
    Here's a start..How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much - Forbes
    So one or two exceptions make the rule? Explain why the evil capitalist US ends up paying its workers more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_average_wage

    Compare, the average American makes nearly twice as much as in germany, and pays nearly half the taxes.
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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So one or two exceptions make the rule? Explain why the evil capitalist US ends up paying its workers more.

    List of countries by average wage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Compare, the average American makes nearly twice as much as in germany, and pays nearly half the taxes.

    Germany is just as capitalist as the U.S. This is about standards of living not politics.
    Do those numbers include family Healthcare and 6 weeks vacation? The German ones do. In fact most all of Europe has universal HC which cost a Family 10 grand here. So those numbers aren't worth a darn. We are caught in a race to the bottom with our workforce and we sure don't want to win.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well, I have a lot of family in Europe so I'm just telling you how it is. For example, my uncle is an IT help desk guy in Sweden. He lives in a small house with his family, and he and his wife got nearly a year if paid paternity/maternity leave when they had kids, they get all doctor visits paid for by the government, they take long vacations to Brazil every year because they get 6 weeks each, he's got a ton of hobbies because he doesn't work himself to death.

    It's a pretty nice life.
    Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe so I can't blame them for their long vacations. You should ask your uncle what happened to Swedish men.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Germany is just as capitalist as the U.S. Not really. This is about standards of living not politics. Your politics back a lowered standard of living. Heres where you provide the red herrings.
    Do those numbers include family Healthcare and 6 weeks vacation? The German ones do. Ask people here if they would accept HALF their income, and pay DOUBLE the taxes in exchange for 6 weeks of vacation and healthcare. Most people want the choices, and would say no. In fact most all of Europe has universal HC which cost a Family 10 grand here. So those numbers aren't worth a darn.Do you understand that nothing is free? The money to pay for that is taken out of each pay check in taxes, and in lowered income, as well as union dues. We are caught in a race to the bottom with our workforce and we sure don't want to win. Which explains why unions are in decline and yet the US has better conditions and better pay. Zero credibility, just discredited leftist dogma.

    Now, good day sir.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, everyone else stays the same, but the richest 1% take a 20% pay cut.
    If everyone else stays the same but the minimum wage goes up, costs go up and you effectively take a pay cut, especially if you raise taxes on the business owners.

    Picture a small business owner that has 10 employees and makes enough money to pay his workers $8/hr 30 hours a week, and pay himself 30k a year. If you make him raise the minimum wage up to 40k a year, not only must he give himself a 10k raise, but his other 10 workers will have to get a 27.5k raise. His prices in his store will go through the roof, and those who don't get a massive raise will have to pay for that.

    On a larger scale, these small businesses will just plain go out of business because larger corporations such as WalMart don't have to raise their prices as much in order to compensate for the raises, so the small business will lose customers as they can't compete.

    On an even larger scale, the richest 1% will not take a 20% pay cut. If you try and tax them, they will just cut employees, raise their prices, etc. to get the same profit margin. It's not that I don't think you have good interests at heart, it's just that you aren't thinking your actions through.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I agree that hard work should be rewarded. I just don't think capitalism, left to its own devices, rewards people fairly. For example, given what you said you make, it happens to be the case that my own salary is twice as much as yours, and I just turned 30. I also don't work nearly those long hours. Would you say that's fair?

    You think you deserve more than the people flipping burgers, but that cuts both ways. I'll tell you what I think - I don't think I deserve to make more than you, and I think capitalism, while having many benefits, tends to reward the wrong people in the wrong amounts all while leaving a lot of good people behind.

    Nobody can dispute that capitalism is by far the best system ever created when it comes to generating wealth, on the whole. But this blind faith in capitalism to correctly distribute that capital to the right people is misplaced.

    Take a step back and really think about it. If you're born 7 foot tall and you're good at dribbling a basketball, you'll make several times more than a soldier who puts his life on the line for this country. In my mind, it would take some real mental gymnastics to try to justify that one.

    Or think about how underpaid nurses are.

    I am a Christian, and that's why I believe we need to take care of people first. We're all equal in God's eyes so why should anybody scrape by on barely nothing if they're willing to work? Lord knows, there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

    I just think we're way too focused on the almighty dollar and we forget to put people first.
    Where did you get the idea the Word "deserve" has any place in talking about what people make?

    Do you know what the Word "earn" means?

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well, I have a lot of family in Europe so I'm just telling you how it is. For example, my uncle is an IT help desk guy in Sweden. He lives in a small house with his family, and he and his wife got nearly a year if paid paternity/maternity leave when they had kids, they get all doctor visits paid for by the government, they take long vacations to Brazil every year because they get 6 weeks each, he's got a ton of hobbies because he doesn't work himself to death.

    It's a pretty nice life.
    You would want a doctor to take care of you that is paid for by the government?

    I wouldn't. My health is too important.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

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    Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For | Politics News | Rolling Stone

    In Rolling Stone this former Occupy wackobird gets full coverage with his tripe. Warner Todd Hudson sums it up best in Breitbart:

    "Recently Rolling Stone magazine published a story that urges the millennial generation to demand communism in America by eliminating private property, "guaranteeing" everyone a job and turning banks into state property. After finding some opposition on Twitter, the writer let loose some ideas that didn't make the cut of his article: "exterminate" the rich and take away their money and property.After reading the article published on January 3, one thing we learn from former Occupy Wall Street organizer Jesse A. Myerson is that he thinks things are bad in America today. America is so bad--or, as he so eruditely puts it, America "blows"--that he thinks it is time to institute some of the worst communist tropes in the anti-capitalist's bag of tricks, all the same boring ideas that have been proven disastrous everywhere they've been tried for over 100 years."

    'Rolling Stone' Writer Wants Communism, Redistributed Wealth

    All I can do is shake my head at these people....What is the matter with people today?
    I believe we merely need to bear true witness to our own laws regarding employment at will simply due to a McCarthy era phrase, specifically enumerated, in our pledge. Why does the right have any problem with that?

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You would want a doctor to take care of you that is paid for by the government?

    I wouldn't. My health is too important.
    It works in other parts of the world, I believe it would work here as well.

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