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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Is there something wrong with you? Where do you get your information? What are you basing this on? You have to be joking, right?
    I already told you specifically what argument I was referring to in a previous post. You apparently ignored it or refused to respond to it.

    Do you think spending trillions on defense and a broken healthcare system is Keynesian economics?
    If its intent is stimulus, then possibly. Keynes didn't use his theory to dictate how government should fiscally stimulate, he just said that they should when it's bad. But he also indicated they should go more conservative when we're booming, which we don't do in practice.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I already told you specifically what argument I was referring to in a previous post. You apparently ignored it or refused to respond to it.



    If its intent is stimulus, then possibly. Keynes didn't use his theory to dictate how government should fiscally stimulate, he just said that they should when it's bad. But he also indicated they should go more conservative when we're booming, which we don't do in practice.
    You keep saying the same thing over and over. Just forget it. This is why you shouldn't listen to Republican talk radio because they confuse you to death and convince you everything is backwards, up is down, left is right.

    What we've been doing since the 70's is not "Keynesian", I cannot stress this enough yet you keep harping on it. You're comparing supply side economic fiscal conservative failures during boom times as a product of improper Keynesian application. This is the most bizarre logic I have ever seen. You're running from Reaganomics while trying to pin it on anything you can grasp at. Why so intellectually dishonest? You harp on spending that has nothing to do with economic theory and everything to do with our massive defense budget and healthcare failures, everything else is a drop in the bucket.

    Let me guess, you're going to complain about spending again as a Keynesian failure during boom times? LoL

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You keep saying the same thing over and over. Just forget it. This is why you shouldn't listen to Republican talk radio because they confuse you to death and convince you everything is backwards, up is down, left is right.
    You need to drop your little zingers as I have never listened to talk radio. Stick with the topic. You're repeating your sarcasm over and over and it's misdirected.

    What we've been doing since the 70's is not "Keynesian", I cannot stress this enough yet you keep harping on it. You're comparing supply side economic fiscal conservative failures during boom times as a product of improper Keynesian application. This is the most bizarre logic I have ever seen. You're running from Reaganomics while trying to pin it on anything you can grasp at. Why so intellectually dishonest?
    We have claimed to embrace a Keynesian approach, especially after Humphrey Hawkins, but since then we can never seem to stick to the playbook.

    You harp on spending that has nothing to do with economic theory and everything to do with our massive defense budget and healthcare failures, everything else is a drop in the bucket.
    I'm happy to discuss the ridiculous defense budget and healthcare failures, but that's a bit of a tangent to this.

    Let me guess, you're going to complain about spending again as a Keynesian failure during boom times? LoL
    Well you have yet to respond to it without going into personal attack/sarcasm mode, so…

    What would the appropriate Keynes school course of action look like during our strongest years (e.g. mid-late 90s, mid-2000s, etc.)?

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Sure this would be great if we'd actually do it. The problem with the Libertarian / conservative ideas here of individualism and less government control is that they have always been used as a bait and switch tactic. I supposed you could say the same thing about lefty better government lies that propose to fix our problems as well.

    In practice less government control has been advocated as increasing individual rights but it always ends up doing the opposite. You have to factor in the powerful private sector and how good they are at manipulating whatever system is in place to their advantage. Look at how the average man is completely dominated by the actions of the financial markets. Your "inner circle of control" is equal to absolutely zero if you get laid off and can't get a job.

    I used to call myself a Libertarian until I found out its just a bait and switch tactic pushed by massive corporations, the business lobby. They crush small business and they crush individuals who aren't part of the power structure all under the guise of "freedom" and "individualism".

    I think we too often confuse rights with outcomes. Bigger government results in fewer rights, smaller government results in more rights. More rights doesn't guarantee better outcomes, only greater opportunity for better outcomes.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps its from this, where Friedman absolutely owns those nordic socialists.
    So smug, they'd like to be.
    Great Stuff! Thanks for that, and you summarized the outcome correctly! Especially profound was his statement that the growth of Welfare State in the US would become more dangerous than the threat from the USSR.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yeah Friedman is a well respected economist, however things have evolved since his breakthroughs and better ideas have been discovered.

    So I guess it doesn't matter what system we use huh? Since ethnicity is all that matters?
    Did I say that "ethnicity is all that matters"? Little wonder that your leaping to false conclusions has led you to regurgitate theories that were rightfully discarded decades ago.

    What "better ideas" are you referring to. This should be good!

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    What?

    This is why its pointless to "debate" any of your righties on this site. You mostly aren't even coherent.
    Then come out and say what you mean rather than just hinting around at it. Show us "righties" what you got!

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I used to call myself a Libertarian until I found out its just a bait and switch tactic pushed by massive corporations, the business lobby. They crush small business and they crush individuals who aren't part of the power structure all under the guise of "freedom" and "individualism".
    It's usually comes back to this.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yeah Friedman is a well respected economist, however things have evolved since his breakthroughs and better ideas have been discovered.
    What would those "better ideas" be?
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Five Economic Reforms Millennials Should Be Fighting For

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You mean the state? I mean, if there are no property rights, no ownership, and we are supported by Uncle Sugar Daddy, then there are no wealthy- just one big happy family.
    Remember though, Lizzie, it's not that communism doesn't work, only that the right uncorruptable people have never been in charge.

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