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Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty[W:101]

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NIMBY said:
Just calling your "favorite Patriotic posters" partisan hacks?
Nice re-entry to DP.
How are comrades Snowden and Putin doing?
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your ideology seems to fit their views much more then mine.

you would of loved the KGB and the power they were afforded comrade.
 
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ARealConservative said:
I stand with transparency
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As you didn't with Cheney/Bush

your opinion does make you my enemy.
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Since you supported war criminal Cheney, I agree.
I find it disgusting and worthy of fighting over.
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As do McCain and Boehner calling Snowden the traitor he is.
 
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NIMBY said:
If you stand with Snowden and Paul, you stand with Russia and Putin and ASSad, the enemies.
Directly saying that my opinion makes me the enemy is getting personal with a poster, ARC.
You know better than that .
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Knowing and understanding the motivations and actions of government is absolutely necessary and imperative to keeping the Republic.
 
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Is that the best you can do?
I know you are but what am I?
ARealConservative said:
your ideology seems to fit their views much more then mine.

you would of loved the KGB and the power they were afforded comrade.
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NIMBY said:
As you didn't with Cheney/Bush
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you joined this sight in 2013. go away troll
 
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Who posted on who first?
ARealConservative said:
you joined this sight in 2013. go away troll
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I didn't know we were allowed to say that.
 
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NIMBY said:
You began posting on me in #42, by calling me the enemy, personally attacking a poster.
You then call me a troll in two other different posts.
That would be zero for three.
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stop trolling this debate. report me if you think it is worthy.

and if you have any integrity, apologize for your idiotic assumptions.
 
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You tapped on me first in post 42.
ARealConservative said:
stop trolling this debate. report me if you think it is worthy.

and if you have any integrity, apologize for your idiotic assumptions.
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NIMBY said:
You tapped on me first in post 42.
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you are my enemy. if you think that violates the rules, report it. I just did
 
Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

So you start the fight calling one an enemy, call him a troll 3 times, and then admit you report it.
ARealConservative said:
you are my enemy. if you think that violates the rules, report it. I just did
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We'll let other posters on DP judge as well as whoever you reported to .
 
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NIMBY said:
So you start the fight calling one an enemy, call him a troll 3 times, and then admit you report it.

We'll let other posters on DP judge as well as whoever you reported to .
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I'm actively opposed to the positions you take

you know what word that describes? enemy.

as for the rest, yes we will. I'm not a mod, and either are you.

And since I just posted proof positive that Cheney is also my enemy, an apology should be forthcoming.
 
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Perhaps the line between traitor and whistleblower is finer than we think. I view Snowden as a whistleblower and whistleblowing as a positive act. The fact that he broke laws in doing so could well be the fault of the laws, not Snowden. I don't see the NSA reforming itself so, sadly, the whistleblowing wasn't effective. What a government we have, huh?
 
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ecofarm said:
Let's be real. Perhaps 2700 in a year, much of it typos and other such errors. That's dealing with tens of thousands of man hours and tons of meta data. The mistakes that are made are noted and corrected as soon as possible. Given the enormity of the task, typos and even criminal activity will occur. The important thing is that the document cited (in every one of those sources?) illustrates strict rule adherence and enforcement.
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You claim they followed their own strict rules and the mistakes that are made and noted and corrected?
"National Security Agency personnel regularly searched call tracking data using thousands of numbers that had not been vetted in accordance with court-ordered procedures, according to previously secret legal filings and court opinions released by the Obama administration Tuesday.

The agency also falsely certified to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that analysts and technicians were complying with the court’s insistence that searches only be done with numbers that had a “reasonable, articulable suspicion” of terrorism, according to a senior intelligence official who briefed reporters prior to release of the documents .

"An internal inquiry into the misstatements also found that no one at the NSA understood how the entire call-tracking program worked. “There was nobody at NSA who really had a full idea of how the program was operating at the time,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
: NSA broke rules on call-tracking program, court filings show - POLITICO.com

You are using the rare mistake, even typos, to paint the entire organization as corrupt. That's no better than using typos, mistakes and even criminals to indict any group as a whole.
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Doesnt seem so "rare" if it went on for 3 years...
 
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Go back to your post 42 and start over.
You don't get to do what you did there and after that, which you should be apologizing for, and then demand an apology .
ARealConservative said:
I'm actively opposed to the positions you take

you know what word that describes? enemy.
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So a person with different positions is your enemy.
 
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NIMBY said:
Go back to your post 42 and start over.
You don't get to do what you did there and after that, which you should be apologizing for, and then demand an apology .
So a person with different positions is your enemy.
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again, this has nothing to do with the thread in question.

if you want to talk about yourself, find someone else interested.

I stand by what I said in #42. report me and stop trolling the thread.
 
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post 42--stop deflecting from all of your posts beginning there and after.
ARealConservative said:
again, this has nothing to do with the thread in question.
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none of your posts against me have anything to do with the thread, you're correct.

if you want to talk about yourself
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no, but you do.
report me and stop trolling the thread.
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still at it huh!!!
 
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Frivolous law suit coming from Rand Paul against the administration .
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
You claim they followed their own strict rules and the mistakes that are made and noted and corrected?
"National Security Agency personnel regularly searched call tracking data using thousands of numbers that had not been vetted in accordance with court-ordered procedures, according to previously secret legal filings and court opinions released by the Obama administration Tuesday.

The agency also falsely certified to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that analysts and technicians were complying with the court’s insistence that searches only be done with numbers that had a “reasonable, articulable suspicion” of terrorism, according to a senior intelligence official who briefed reporters prior to release of the documents .

"An internal inquiry into the misstatements also found that no one at the NSA understood how the entire call-tracking program worked. “There was nobody at NSA who really had a full idea of how the program was operating at the time,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
: NSA broke rules on call-tracking program, court filings show - POLITICO.com


Doesnt seem so "rare" if it went on for 3 years...
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It's not rare and they aren't correcting it. The only thing they are interested in correcting is the People finding out what they are actually doing.
 
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fmw said:
Perhaps the line between traitor and whistleblower is finer than we think. I view Snowden as a whistleblower and whistleblowing as a positive act. The fact that he broke laws in doing so could well be the fault of the laws, not Snowden. I don't see the NSA reforming itself so, sadly, the whistleblowing wasn't effective. What a government we have, huh?
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Great point. And I would add to that, if a government employee blows the "whistle" on wrong doing (and the NSA programs Snowden is revealing have been declared such by Americans from janitors to pundits and medical doctors to ex presidents, constitutional lawyers, law professors, politicians on both sides of the isle, etc.) then the service he has done trumps a rule or law that he has broken. This is what whistle blower protection is all about.

Obama promised as candidate that as president he would strengthen whistle blower protections, but in fact I believe he has prosecuted more than all his predecessors, perhaps combined.

In addition, I can say that as the owner of a medical billing company, besides HIPPA and a host of other regulations we have to abide by, we are forbidden by law to block or attempt to block any of our employees from reporting a violation of any laws, rules or regulations to the authorities. And that's not all, we are REQUIRED to provide our employees a map for doing so. Yes! Each one of our employees has in a file in their desk (along with other materials) detailed instructions of who to call, along with the phone number/s to report the violation/s they have witnessed or been instructed themselves to commit.

But isn't it always the case that the government imposes upon the citizenry onerous rules that they themselves never intend to be held accountable.

And we have people visit this board almost daily to inform us that Snowden is a traitor. I agree with another poster that they are the real enemy.
 
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It is very hard to respect the cowards in this country that enable our government to go about such activity in the name of safety

I will be happy to be a party to this class action lawsuit.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Doesnt seem so "rare" if it went on for 3 years...
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There will always be typos, other mistakes and even outright wrongdoing. In 5 years, these things will have gone on for 5 years. In 100 years, these things will have gone on for 100 years. The important thing, from the document cited, is that we recognize the program is being very careful about the rules and dealing with violations quickly, as internal documentation proves.
 
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ecofarm said:
There will always be typos, other mistakes and even outright wrongdoing. In 5 years, these things will have gone on for 5 years. In 100 years, these things will have gone on for 100 years. The important thing, from the document cited, is that we recognize the program is being very careful about the rules and dealing with violations quickly, as internal documentation proves.
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Very careful? They broke rules and knew they were breaking them and didnt do **** about it!
 
Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

If Snowden releases classified information so Americans can see how their government is violating their privacy rights, how exactly is Snowden then equated to a treason aiding Russia?

Is it the contention of some that he is telling the Russians things he won't tell us?

Is there any proof that is the case?
 
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