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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Perhaps the line between traitor and whistleblower is finer than we think. I view Snowden as a whistleblower and whistleblowing as a positive act. The fact that he broke laws in doing so could well be the fault of the laws, not Snowden. I don't see the NSA reforming itself so, sadly, the whistleblowing wasn't effective. What a government we have, huh?
    Great point. And I would add to that, if a government employee blows the "whistle" on wrong doing (and the NSA programs Snowden is revealing have been declared such by Americans from janitors to pundits and medical doctors to ex presidents, constitutional lawyers, law professors, politicians on both sides of the isle, etc.) then the service he has done trumps a rule or law that he has broken. This is what whistle blower protection is all about.

    Obama promised as candidate that as president he would strengthen whistle blower protections, but in fact I believe he has prosecuted more than all his predecessors, perhaps combined.

    In addition, I can say that as the owner of a medical billing company, besides HIPPA and a host of other regulations we have to abide by, we are forbidden by law to block or attempt to block any of our employees from reporting a violation of any laws, rules or regulations to the authorities. And that's not all, we are REQUIRED to provide our employees a map for doing so. Yes! Each one of our employees has in a file in their desk (along with other materials) detailed instructions of who to call, along with the phone number/s to report the violation/s they have witnessed or been instructed themselves to commit.

    But isn't it always the case that the government imposes upon the citizenry onerous rules that they themselves never intend to be held accountable.

    And we have people visit this board almost daily to inform us that Snowden is a traitor. I agree with another poster that they are the real enemy.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    It is very hard to respect the cowards in this country that enable our government to go about such activity in the name of safety

    I will be happy to be a party to this class action lawsuit.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Doesnt seem so "rare" if it went on for 3 years...
    There will always be typos, other mistakes and even outright wrongdoing. In 5 years, these things will have gone on for 5 years. In 100 years, these things will have gone on for 100 years. The important thing, from the document cited, is that we recognize the program is being very careful about the rules and dealing with violations quickly, as internal documentation proves.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There will always be typos, other mistakes and even outright wrongdoing. In 5 years, these things will have gone on for 5 years. In 100 years, these things will have gone on for 100 years. The important thing, from the document cited, is that we recognize the program is being very careful about the rules and dealing with violations quickly, as internal documentation proves.
    Very careful? They broke rules and knew they were breaking them and didnt do **** about it!


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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    If Snowden releases classified information so Americans can see how their government is violating their privacy rights, how exactly is Snowden then equated to a treason aiding Russia?

    Is it the contention of some that he is telling the Russians things he won't tell us?

    Is there any proof that is the case?

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Were I POTUS; I would have him tried, probably convicted and then (assuming no further evidence against him comes to light) pardon him after one day in jail...no matter what his sentence.

    Then I would invite him to supper at the White House.

    Though hopefully all this would take place after my second term had started.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Very careful? They broke rules and knew they were breaking them and didnt do **** about it!
    No, the rules were broken and the incidents dealt with promptly. Rules always get broken, in every organization. That doesn't make the entire organization corrupt.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, the rules were broken and the incidents dealt with promptly. Rules always get broken, in every organization. That doesn't make the entire organization corrupt.
    If 3 years is "promptly".


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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Very careful? They broke rules and knew they were breaking them and didnt do **** about it!

    And the broken rules get blamed on typos! It's funny watching the shapes some of these guys bend themselves into to defend corruption in government. And why??

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If 3 years is "promptly".
    Each incident was dealt with at the time. The document you cite is a log of incidents. It in no way indicates corruption, let alone widespread conspiracy.

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