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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Perhaps the line between traitor and whistleblower is finer than we think. I view Snowden as a whistleblower and whistleblowing as a positive act. The fact that he broke laws in doing so could well be the fault of the laws, not Snowden. I don't see the NSA reforming itself so, sadly, the whistleblowing wasn't effective. What a government we have, huh?
    And you rejoice that he took his data file of top secret information to Russia? Or are you another one of those libertarians who hates his government so much he's happy that the Russians now are privy to national security information?
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Great point. And I would add to that, if a government employee blows the "whistle" on wrong doing (and the NSA programs Snowden is revealing have been declared such by Americans from janitors to pundits and medical doctors to ex presidents, constitutional lawyers, law professors, politicians on both sides of the isle, etc.) then the service he has done trumps a rule or law that he has broken. This is what whistle blower protection is all about.

    Obama promised as candidate that as president he would strengthen whistle blower protections, but in fact I believe he has prosecuted more than all his predecessors, perhaps combined.

    In addition, I can say that as the owner of a medical billing company, besides HIPPA and a host of other regulations we have to abide by, we are forbidden by law to block or attempt to block any of our employees from reporting a violation of any laws, rules or regulations to the authorities. And that's not all, we are REQUIRED to provide our employees a map for doing so. Yes! Each one of our employees has in a file in their desk (along with other materials) detailed instructions of who to call, along with the phone number/s to report the violation/s they have witnessed or been instructed themselves to commit.

    But isn't it always the case that the government imposes upon the citizenry onerous rules that they themselves never intend to be held accountable.

    And we have people visit this board almost daily to inform us that Snowden is a traitor. I agree with another poster that they are the real enemy.
    Snowden is a traitor. The fact the he took everything he had to Russia is proof of that. And those who don't have a problem with the Russians having access to U.S. Top Secret information are either fools or traitors themselves.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, I wouldn't believe either one of those leftist loons. He went to RUSSIA, for God's sake! Still one of the more repressive and secretive regimes in the world - or at least it is to those of us not consumed by hatred of the United States. He's given them everything they want. He or his buddy Greenwald are not likely to admit that, now are they? It might tarnish that halo that you folks have put on him.
    What has Snowden given Russia?

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    If Snowden releases classified information so Americans can see how their government is violating their privacy rights, how exactly is Snowden then equated to a treason aiding Russia?

    Is it the contention of some that he is telling the Russians things he won't tell us?

    Is there any proof that is the case?
    If you mean have the Russians come out and said 'thanks for all the top secret information, Ed', then of course that proof does not exist. However, if you think the Russians had an asset like Snowden within their country and didn't get every piece of useful information they could get out of him - probably volunteered willingly - then you must believe the Russians are either fools or the most noble regime in the history of the earth.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What has Snowden given Russia?
    Well, the Russians aren't exactly broadcasting it and neither is he. But if you don't think they've profited immensely from this traitor's actions, then you are a fool. Do you expect either one of them to admit that Ed has been an intelligence bonanza for them? What world do you live in?
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And you rejoice that he took his data file of top secret information to Russia? Or are you another one of those libertarians who hates his government so much he's happy that the Russians now are privy to national security information?
    You haven't a clue what's going on and you certainly don't know what a libertarian is. Will you please tell us what national security secrets Russia received from Snowden?

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Were I POTUS; I would have him tried, probably convicted and then (assuming no further evidence against him comes to light) pardon him after one day in jail...no matter what his sentence.

    Then I would invite him to supper at the White House.

    Though hopefully all this would take place after my second term had started.
    Yes, by al means lets celebrate those who defect to Russian with top secret information. Great plan!
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You haven't a clue what's going on and you certainly don't know what a libertarian is. Will you please tell us what national security secrets Russia received from Snowden?
    You continue with this nonsense. How would anybody know what secrets he gave them? He's not going to admit it and neither are they. But there's a reason they welcomed him with open arms. But I expect your one of those 'we're just as bad as they are so its good that they have our secrets' folks.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Snowden is a traitor. The fact the he took everything he had to Russia is proof of that. And those who don't have a problem with the Russians having access to U.S. Top Secret information are either fools or traitors themselves.
    You have no clue what Snowden carried with him to Russia, if anything. There are at least three copies of everything he took in various different locations according to Greenwald.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Edward Snowden doesn’t deserve the death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You continue with this nonsense. How would anybody know what secrets he gave them? He's not going to admit it and neither are they. But there's a reason they welcomed him with open arms. But I expect your one of those 'we're just as bad as they are so its good that they have our secrets' folks.
    You've developed a hatred for Snowden based on an assumption. I think accepting Snowden temporarily was just a rub, particularly at the time things weren't to rosy between Obama and Putin, they were quarreling and it was a nice poke, probably nothing more.

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