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    Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work : NPR

    The stakes were high and the vote was close as Boeing production workers agreed to concede some benefits in order to secure assembly of the new 777X airplane for the Puget Sound region.
    A little bit of back story. Boeing was looking to build the new 777x in WA. it has secured all the other unions except for the machinist unions.
    They were opposing the contract on several accounts. They rejected the first one and boeing came back with better raises. the largest sticking point was the move from a pension to a defined contribution plan similar to a 401k.

    Beoing had also stated that if the union rejected this bid that they would move to building the new jets to a new plant in which 22 states were already taking bids to get.

    the local union in washington lost the last bid for the 777 dreamliner to much the same reason. those planes are being built in SC.
    the vote ended up 51 -49 against with most of the yes votes coming from younger union members that were looking to keep their jobs.

    the local union was under a lot of pressure not only from local government but from the national union leaders to accept the contract.

    the contract states that the union cannot strike until 2024 when the contract is up.
    congrats for younger people in wanting to keep their jobs.

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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

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    A little bit of back story. Boeing was looking to build the new 777x in WA. it has secured all the other unions except for the machinist unions.
    They were opposing the contract on several accounts. They rejected the first one and boeing came back with better raises. the largest sticking point was the move from a pension to a defined contribution plan similar to a 401k.

    Beoing had also stated that if the union rejected this bid that they would move to building the new jets to a new plant in which 22 states were already taking bids to get.

    the local union in washington lost the last bid for the 777 dreamliner to much the same reason. those planes are being built in SC.
    the vote ended up 51 -49 against with most of the yes votes coming from younger union members that were looking to keep their jobs.

    the local union was under a lot of pressure not only from local government but from the national union leaders to accept the contract.

    the contract states that the union cannot strike until 2024 when the contract is up.
    congrats for younger people in wanting to keep their jobs.
    Good for Boeing and the workers. I like unions for the basics like workplace safety and quality of life in the workplace as well as fair wages etc. But unions often overreach and produce tough conditions for companies. I'm glad they were able to find a balance in these negotiations.

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    Good for Boeing and the workers. I like unions for the basics like workplace safety and quality of life in the workplace as well as fair wages etc. But unions often overreach and produce tough conditions for companies. I'm glad they were able to find a balance in these negotiations.
    Well there was political pressure put on that local union. the local union didn't even want to bring it to a vote and was overriden by the nation union.

    boeng had the same problem down here a few years ago. the machinst union went on strike. i ran into some of them (i was looking for work at the time the guy i was working for couldn't pay). they were doing temp work for UPS.

    they were mad that boeing wanted them to pay 2% more on their heatlhcare and 4% more on their pension. these guys went from making 25-30+ dollars an hour to 100 a week strike pay.

    i just shook my head and walked off.

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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Well there was political pressure put on that local union. the local union didn't even want to bring it to a vote and was overriden by the nation union.

    boeng had the same problem down here a few years ago. the machinst union went on strike. i ran into some of them (i was looking for work at the time the guy i was working for couldn't pay). they were doing temp work for UPS.

    they were mad that boeing wanted them to pay 2% more on their heatlhcare and 4% more on their pension. these guys went from making 25-30+ dollars an hour to 100 a week strike pay.

    i just shook my head and walked off.
    I think threatening in a real way to move the operation to Alabama (I think it was) was a slap in the face that woke up some rational minds.

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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I think threatening in a real way to move the operation to Alabama (I think it was) was a slap in the face that woke up some rational minds.
    Well they should have.
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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    The union is supposed to be looking to the welfare of their members. However, the health of the industry and the company they work for must be taken into account in that calculation. Boeing threatened to build elsewhere because building aircraft is not a particularly high percentage profit margin business. The list of possible customers for this aircraft is not that long and Airbus would be quite happy to offer their product.

    There used to be a papermill in my town. Biggest employer here. A buddy of mine was local paper makers union president. He negotiated a contract of zero wage increase but modest improvements to pension and health care benefits.
    The industry was suffering, low cost new mills in South America and the downturn in the newspaper business was putting pressure on sales, so this was really all that could be expected. A union member came up to my buddy and complained that he "Needed" an actual raise because he had just bought a new boat.
    Three years later the mill closed. It was torn down a few years later. Many of the former workers now content themselves with working at Walmart, those who had trades, electricians, pipefitters, etc. have largely moved away, some managed to find work in local mines.

    There were quite a lot of used boats, snowmobiles, and ATVs for dale in the classified ads that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
    The union is supposed to be looking to the welfare of their members. However, the health of the industry and the company they work for must be taken into account in that calculation. Boeing threatened to build elsewhere because building aircraft is not a particularly high percentage profit margin business. The list of possible customers for this aircraft is not that long and Airbus would be quite happy to offer their product.

    There used to be a papermill in my town. Biggest employer here. A buddy of mine was local paper makers union president. He negotiated a contract of zero wage increase but modest improvements to pension and health care benefits.
    The industry was suffering, low cost new mills in South America and the downturn in the newspaper business was putting pressure on sales, so this was really all that could be expected. A union member came up to my buddy and complained that he "Needed" an actual raise because he had just bought a new boat.
    Three years later the mill closed. It was torn down a few years later. Many of the former workers now content themselves with working at Walmart, those who had trades, electricians, pipefitters, etc. have largely moved away, some managed to find work in local mines.

    There were quite a lot of used boats, snowmobiles, and ATVs for dale in the classified ads that year.
    The airplane business is a multi billion dollar business. boeing just doesn't sell to US firms but global airports. the new 777x wing is going to be a totally new innovation in air flight.
    the current planes are being retired and need to be replaced and that is when boeing or airbus capitalizes.

    the machinist union wanted more of the pie than boeing was willing to give. the biggest contention was the pension. overall the health of the company will be better off with doing the switch in how they handle the pension funds.

    a lot of the old workers were upset but the newer workers have families to support and kids to raise. if the project would have gone somewhere else
    boeings next big project isn't for another 10 years.

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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    People who build aircraft aren't like fast food workers. Its a skilled trade that is based on institutional knowledge. Boeing already tried to build a plant in South Carolina, and is so troubled that it can only meet half its production quota. The only reason why Boeing won the negotiation is because they cleverly screwed the next generation of worker. The current employee's average age is around 50, so they won't really be impacted by the new contract.

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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    People who build aircraft aren't like fast food workers. Its a skilled trade that is based on institutional knowledge. Boeing already tried to build a plant in South Carolina, and is so troubled that it can only meet half its production quota. The only reason why Boeing won the negotiation is because they cleverly screwed the next generation of worker. The current employee's average age is around 50, so they won't really be impacted by the new contract.
    they are affected though their pension contribution is frozen and they will be transfered to the new retirement plan like all the other workers. that is why they voted against it.

    the next generation of workers have a job for the next 10 years. to them feeding their families is more important. given that if boeing took the plant elsewhere like they were going to they would have lost jobs since the next big thing isn't going to come online until about the same time frame.

    this was a win for both the company and the workers.

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    Re: Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Boeing Machinists Approve Contract To Secure 777X Work : NPR



    A little bit of back story. Boeing was looking to build the new 777x in WA. it has secured all the other unions except for the machinist unions.
    They were opposing the contract on several accounts. They rejected the first one and boeing came back with better raises. the largest sticking point was the move from a pension to a defined contribution plan similar to a 401k.

    Beoing had also stated that if the union rejected this bid that they would move to building the new jets to a new plant in which 22 states were already taking bids to get.

    the local union in washington lost the last bid for the 777 dreamliner to much the same reason. those planes are being built in SC.
    the vote ended up 51 -49 against with most of the yes votes coming from younger union members that were looking to keep their jobs.

    the local union was under a lot of pressure not only from local government but from the national union leaders to accept the contract.

    the contract states that the union cannot strike until 2024 when the contract is up.
    congrats for younger people in wanting to keep their jobs.
    I wonder what happens with the older chaps' pensions they've been putting into for their careers? Rolled over to a 401k or just stolen by execs like most corporations?
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