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Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

Ugh. So as an update....it took this guy 15 minutes to die, in convulsions.

How incompetent are they? This is just ridiculous. It's not like you can give him an overdose for God's sake.

The actual mechanism of death would have been apnea-the patient not breathing. That takes some time (Im a paramedic and have seen it up close many times).

He couldnt feel or think during this time due to the types of drugs he received, followed by the rapid loss of brain function from hypoxia. People gurgle and seize when they die sometimes. Its not about how it looks to us that should matter, in any case.

Would it have made you feel better to have given him a paralytic shortly after the lethal drugs? Im guessing yes-but that would mean this is about how YOU feel rather than the patient, wouldnt it?
 
The actual mechanism of death would have been apnea-the patient not breathing. That takes some time (Im a paramedic and have seen it up close many times).

He couldnt feel or think during this time due to the types of drugs he received, followed by the rapid loss of brain function from hypoxia. People gurgle and seize when they die sometimes. Its not about how it looks to us that should matter, in any case.

Would it have made you feel better to have given him a paralytic shortly after the lethal drugs? Im guessing yes-but that would mean this is about how YOU feel rather than the patient, wouldnt it?

I'm annoyed by the apparent incompetence of it. Perhaps it was not but they can put dogs down perfectly fine & peacefully without all that.
 
I'm annoyed by the apparent incompetence of it. Perhaps it was not but they can put dogs down perfectly fine & peacefully without all that.

It was peaceful from his perspective-he didnt feel or even think a thing. All he did was gasp. This guy was put down perfectly fine and peacefully, if a paralytic were to be added (I dont care btw) it would be about YOUR feelings, not the murderers.

Again, if the left truly cares about these murderers, why dont they make it easier to get the drugs they need?
 
It was peaceful from his perspective-he didnt feel or even think a thing. All he did was gasp. This guy was put down perfectly fine and peacefully, if a paralytic were to be added (I dont care btw) it would be about YOUR feelings, not the murderers.

Again, if the left truly cares about these murderers, why dont they make it easier to get the drugs they need?

I dont care anything about this murderer and my position on the DP has nothing to do with the so-called 'sanctity of life'...I would like to know why he and any person couldnt be put down like a dog...and I have had mine put down in my arms...completely peacefully, no convulsions, no gasps. Very quickly, she just relaxed and was gone.

I find it incredible that we dont have the technology or medical knowlege to do this for humans and that people are making excuses for it. When people choose euthenasia....what methods do they use? I know ODs of morphine are one option. (I dont know if there are unpleasant reactions but havent heard of any).
 
Morphin causes apnea, just like US Conservative described above.
I dont care anything about this murderer and my position on the DP has nothing to do with the so-called 'sanctity of life'...I would like to know why he and any person couldnt be put down like a dog...and I have had mine put down in my arms...completely peacefully, no convulsions, no gasps. Very quickly, she just relaxed and was gone.

I find it incredible that we dont have the technology or medical knowlege to do this for humans and that people are making excuses for it. When people choose euthenasia....what methods do they use? I know ODs of morphine are one option. (I dont know if there are unpleasant reactions but havent heard of any).
 
I dont care anything about this murderer and my position on the DP has nothing to do with the so-called 'sanctity of life'...I would like to know why he and any person couldnt be put down like a dog...and I have had mine put down in my arms...completely peacefully, no convulsions, no gasps. Very quickly, she just relaxed and was gone.

I find it incredible that we dont have the technology or medical knowlege to do this for humans and that people are making excuses for it. When people choose euthenasia....what methods do they use? I know ODs of morphine are one option. (I dont know if there are unpleasant reactions but havent heard of any).

He DID die of an overdose of an opiate (stronger than morphine) and a muscle relaxant (like a more potent valium).
Plenty of people use this method for suicide or euthanasia and guess what-they gasp for air-its a reflex and not related to pain at all.

Lethal injection is a pretty straightforward means of death, but the left in its effort to circumvent the will of the people has made these deaths more traumatic for all involved-one could argue that was the intent.
 
He DID die of an overdose of an opiate (stronger than morphine) and a muscle relaxant (like a more potent valium).
Plenty of people use this method for suicide or euthanasia and guess what-they gasp for air-its a reflex and not related to pain at all.

Lethal injection is a pretty straightforward means of death, but the left in its effort to circumvent the will of the people has made these deaths more traumatic for all involved-one could argue that was the intent.

I'm going on what they're saying on the news....convulsions and now saying it took 25 minutes to die. I have no problem with the timeframe....I'd like to know why they cant do this as simply as putting down a dog....they just relax and go to sleep.

Maybe that's the issue...the expectations...and that's why the family is so upset. But to me, seems like a real lack of competency and an indication of medical limitations if we cant achieve the same standard for humans. (If there were convulsions and gasping)
 
I'm going on what they're saying on the news....convulsions and now saying it took 25 minutes to die. I have no problem with the timeframe....I'd like to know why they cant do this as simply as putting down a dog....they just relax and go to sleep.

Maybe that's the issue...the expectations...and that's why the family is so upset. But to me, seems like a real lack of competency and an indication of medical limitations if we cant achieve the same standard for humans. (If there were convulsions and gasping)

probably because the FDA hasn't cleared the animal drugs for use in humans.
 
Sounds like they need to add a paralytic to the mix early on. Just add a little Fugu fish.
 
Not if you're the innocent dead guy or his family it's not worth it. If it's just to keep psycho killers away from the population, life-long imprisonment achieves the same.

No, it doesn't - they have been known to escape and kill again. Or to kill prison guards. The only way to ensure they never do it again is to execute them.
 
Ugh. So as an update....it took this guy 15 minutes to die, in convulsions.

How incompetent are they? This is just ridiculous. It's not like you can give him an overdose for God's sake.

yeah they should bring back the chair. or hanging. the Ohio AG noted that while a murderer should not face cruel and unusual punishment, he is not entitled to a Painless execution
 
The reason I am against capital punishment has nothing to do with the perp, I merely regret someone did not plug him before he killed someone. My problem with CP is the lack of respect for life demonstrated by the government involved. I care not for them, I am concerned aobut a society that would kill someone that is no longer a threat to that society.

that's a well reasoned argument. A man I used to work with who is now a well respected Federal Judge noted to me

"some people deserve to be fried but I don't like giving the government the power to fry people"
 
Practically speaking, the right "mix" needs to be found now, a replacement for the drug that is no longer available.

I think 25 minutes is too long. Yes, the victims of those who face capital punishment suffered so much more and undeservedly, but execution is about who we are, not who he is.
 
Practically speaking, the right "mix" needs to be found now, a replacement for the drug that is no longer available.

I think 25 minutes is too long. Yes, the victims of those who face capital punishment suffered so much more and undeservedly, but execution is about who we are, not who he is.

Potassium Chloride will stop the heart very quickly but libs dont like the slight burning sensation it can cause for a few seconds just before death. So he didn't get that drug.

Then, when it takes a while they whine about that too. :doh

Id argue some anti-dp people WANT there to be botched or apparently inhumane executions, believing it will further their cause.
 
Potassium Chloride will stop the heart very quickly but libs dont like the slight burning sensation it can cause for a few seconds just before death. So he didn't get that drug.

Then, when it takes a while they whine about that too. :doh

Id argue some anti-dp people WANT there to be botched or apparently inhumane executions, believing it will further their cause.

:roll:
 
No, it doesn't - they have been known to escape and kill again. Or to kill prison guards. The only way to ensure they never do it again is to execute them.

The number of death row inmates who have escaped and killed again, or killed prison guards, is insignificant compared to the number who have been released when it turns out they weren't guilty.
 
The number of death row inmates who have escaped and killed again, or killed prison guards, is insignificant compared to the number who have been released when it turns out they weren't guilty.

They are held to the highest standards of the law multiple times. While its possible that someone may be wrongly executed, we dont make laws for the mistake, and we dont disregard the will of the people because YOU have decided its not good enough.
 
The number of death row inmates who have escaped and killed again, or killed prison guards, is insignificant compared to the number who have been released when it turns out they weren't guilty.

Do you have anything to back that up?
 
"McGuire, who was sentenced to die for raping and stabbing a pregnant newlywed to death in 1989, appeared unconscious but gasped repeatedly as he lay on a gurney, his stomach rising and falling and his mouth opening and shutting."

Im not even necessarily pro death penalty...and its hard for me to give even half a damn whether or not he suffered (although there is no indication he actually did).
 
compare the number of those who got out and killed again with those who are really innocent and executed anyway. I dont know but I bet there have been more exectued. Last time someone posted that escape to kill again (or the libs let them out) I asked for a few examples. Seems he never got back to post them all. :roll:
The number of death row inmates who have escaped and killed again, or killed prison guards, is insignificant compared to the number who have been released when it turns out they weren't guilty.
 
I am against lethal injections. I think hanging is better since the organs can be harvested and used to help others.
 
Humm, I dont know about that, I think it might cause so much tissue damage many organs, like the kidneys might be unusable, but I really dont know, interesting thought.
I am against lethal injections. I think hanging is better since the organs can be harvested and used to help others.
 
Humm, I dont know about that, I think it might cause so much tissue damage many organs, like the kidneys might be unusable, but I really dont know, interesting thought.

Its the method of execution least likely to ruin usable organs. Gas chamber, firing squad, Lethal Injection and electrocution all ruin most organs. hanging causes less overall destruction than most of the ways donors die-such as high impact motor vehicle accidents
 
"McGuire, who was sentenced to die for raping and stabbing a pregnant newlywed to death in 1989, appeared unconscious but gasped repeatedly as he lay on a gurney, his stomach rising and falling and his mouth opening and shutting."

Im not even necessarily pro death penalty...and its hard for me to give even half a damn whether or not he suffered (although there is no indication he actually did).
The problem with this line of thinking regarding this individual's suffering is precisely in applying the sentiment to the individual. For good or for bad, and because we are a collective society whether we like it or not, the appropriateness of any punishment needs to be thought of in regards to all potential participants, not just the ones we deem particularly unworthy.
 
Practically speaking, the right "mix" needs to be found now, a replacement for the drug that is no longer available.

I think 25 minutes is too long. Yes, the victims of those who face capital punishment suffered so much more and undeservedly, but execution is about who we are, not who he is.
Hear hear!
 
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