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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What will states do if lethal injection is no longer an option? I mean, the guillotine is wishful thinking. How horrible to consider a return to electrocution or gassing. Maybe the real solution is to end the death penalty altogether because as a society, we can do better than killing those we convict of killing?
    Firing squad would work quite well. I see no reason to stop executing these scum. I just wish my country would bring the death penalty back.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The problem with this Ohio cocktail appears to be the midazolam. It has been used, but not with hydromorphone, I don’t think. Here is info on a Florida lawsuit that may presage others: Florida executes inmate with controversial lethal injection ? RT USA

    From New Scientist about the convicted Ohio killer referenced in the OP:

    Anaesthesiologist David Waisel at Harvard University is concerned Phillips [child killer whose offer of organ donation gained him a stay of execution in November] may not be rendered sufficiently unconscious by the injected midazolam before the high dose of hydromorphone – which can cause soft tissue in the throat to collapse – takes effect. "That would cause a truly horrible suffocating sensation," he says.

    In October, William Happ, a convicted murderer in Florida, was executed using midazolam and two other drugs. Witnesses said he endured a longer death and moved more frequently than is usual. Options running out for the US death penalty - health - 12 November 2013 - New Scientist

    The larger problem is that execution drugs are not going to become more readily available. See link above re some states turning to compounding pharmacies, which are unregulated by the FDA.

    What will states do if lethal injection is no longer an option? I mean, the guillotine is wishful thinking. How horrible to consider a return to electrocution or gassing. Maybe the real solution is to end the death penalty altogether because as a society, we can do better than killing those we convict of killing?
    We use opiates and benzo's rapid IV push all the time, and its lights out. A mega dose of either would be a fairly comfortable and quick way to go.

    Hitting from two different MOA's would likely work even quicker.

    Face it-you are against the DP in any form-so lets not pretend that you are doing anything but supporting ways to make it even more difficult.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    You could just end the death penalty and you don't have to worry about it.
    Why ?
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Why ?
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    Well a good reason would be to ask, why do you need the death penalty?

    Is it because of some sort of revenge? In which case is it the states job to enforce the revenge?

    Is it because you think they are a danger to society? Well in that case life in prison, problem solved

    I'll be honest here, I'm for the death penalty for the revenge factor but I understand that it shouldn't be the states job to do this. I just think some people should die instead of be jailed.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We use opiates and benzo's rapid IV push all the time, and its lights out. A mega dose of either would be a fairly comfortable and quick way to go.

    Hitting from two different MOA's would likely work even quicker.

    Face it-you are against the DP in any form-so lets not pretend that you are doing anything but supporting ways to make it even more difficult.
    I don't know why the states don't use what you describe. Do you know why?

    Yes, I am opposed to the death penalty. But I assure you that there are many, many people who support it who do not want those being executed to suffering cruelly.

    Some of the comments on this thread are pretty depressing. There is a difference between justice and vengeance, and even the very worst of us all remains a human being.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    hanging, the chair and firing squads have long track records. I figure hanging is the least expensive and as quick as the other two
    rope is cheap. it was good enough for Saddam.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    There is a difference between justice and vengeance, and even the very worst of us all remains a human being.
    In many of the death penalty cases, especially the ones where the killer has no remorse for what they did, I don't see anything human in there.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    rope is cheap. it was good enough for Saddam.
    plus you can harvest the organs for medical reasons. Not so when you gas, fry, shoot or poison a prisoner.

    since we are becoming a green society hanging should be used

    1) recycle organs of the executed

    2) ropes can be used several times

    3) doesn't use electricity

    4) no danger to the guards of toxic gases

    5) no whining pharmaceutical companies-its not like rope makers are gonna know why the bureau of prisons is buying a few dozen yards of sisal or manila rope



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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In many of the death penalty cases, especially the ones where the killer has no remorse for what they did, I don't see anything human in there.
    QFT- like those two assholes in CT who bludgeoned a man, raped his wife and daughters-made the wife go to a bank to withdraw money as ransom for the girls, raped them again and burned the girls alive

    I am pretty well read on medieval europe and all the horrific execution methods used in the name of "christ" back then. The wheel, the pear, the rack, impalement etc. nothing would be too horrible for those two scumbags.



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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't know why the states don't use what you describe. Do you know why?

    Yes, I am opposed to the death penalty. But I assure you that there are many, many people who support it who do not want those being executed to suffering cruelly.

    Some of the comments on this thread are pretty depressing. There is a difference between justice and vengeance, and even the very worst of us all remains a human being.
    Because they need to use medical literature, and the anti-death penalty crowd knows this.
    Benzo's are standard before an execution.
    Whats new is using them with opiates-in the US 40K die per year by this route.

    We know how it works, and frankly we should just use these drugs as they are cheap and plentiful. Potassium can be painful IV, the benefit of this setup is even if it did cause pain-the person would never feel it.

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