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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but when a man plays god, its only fair that other men play god for him
    That rationale equates the actions of the government with the actions of the killer.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There is nothing "humane" about ending the life of another person, no matter how deserving they may be of death.
    Some methods are far more humane than others. A quick beheading, or bullet to the brain is quick and likely painless. As opposed to a stoning.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That rationale equates the actions of the government with the actions of the killer.
    remind me how many murder victims get a jury of their peers and other constitutional protections



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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Some methods are far more humane than others. A quick beheading, or bullet to the brain is quick and likely painless. As opposed to a stoning.
    Seems to me that hospitals frequently induce comas in people with traumatic brain or other injuries, eliminating all feeling - why not just induce a coma and then end the person's life, if eliminating any pain for the deseased is the goal?
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Seems to me that hospitals frequently induce comas in people with traumatic brain or other injuries, eliminating all feeling - why not just induce a coma and then end the person's life, if eliminating any pain for the deseased is the goal?
    Thats one of the goals. At least to me. Cost is another. That method seems more expensive.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me how many murder victims get a jury of their peers and other constitutional protections



    How many people who are executed for crimes that they didn't commit get their lives back?

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Hopefully it will be painful and take along time to kill him. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How many people who are executed for crimes that they didn't commit get their lives back?
    I am not a big fan of the DP for that reason but there are many cases where there isn't even an iota of doubt



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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How many people who are executed for crimes that they didn't commit get their lives back?
    What is the number?

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    The problem with this Ohio cocktail appears to be the midazolam. It has been used, but not with hydromorphone, I don’t think. Here is info on a Florida lawsuit that may presage others: Florida executes inmate with controversial lethal injection ? RT USA

    From New Scientist about the convicted Ohio killer referenced in the OP:

    Anaesthesiologist David Waisel at Harvard University is concerned Phillips [child killer whose offer of organ donation gained him a stay of execution in November] may not be rendered sufficiently unconscious by the injected midazolam before the high dose of hydromorphone – which can cause soft tissue in the throat to collapse – takes effect. "That would cause a truly horrible suffocating sensation," he says.

    In October, William Happ, a convicted murderer in Florida, was executed using midazolam and two other drugs. Witnesses said he endured a longer death and moved more frequently than is usual. Options running out for the US death penalty - health - 12 November 2013 - New Scientist

    The larger problem is that execution drugs are not going to become more readily available. See link above re some states turning to compounding pharmacies, which are unregulated by the FDA.

    What will states do if lethal injection is no longer an option? I mean, the guillotine is wishful thinking. How horrible to consider a return to electrocution or gassing. Maybe the real solution is to end the death penalty altogether because as a society, we can do better than killing those we convict of killing?

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