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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont care anything about this murderer and my position on the DP has nothing to do with the so-called 'sanctity of life'...I would like to know why he and any person couldnt be put down like a dog...and I have had mine put down in my arms...completely peacefully, no convulsions, no gasps. Very quickly, she just relaxed and was gone.

    I find it incredible that we dont have the technology or medical knowlege to do this for humans and that people are making excuses for it. When people choose euthenasia....what methods do they use? I know ODs of morphine are one option. (I dont know if there are unpleasant reactions but havent heard of any).
    He DID die of an overdose of an opiate (stronger than morphine) and a muscle relaxant (like a more potent valium).
    Plenty of people use this method for suicide or euthanasia and guess what-they gasp for air-its a reflex and not related to pain at all.

    Lethal injection is a pretty straightforward means of death, but the left in its effort to circumvent the will of the people has made these deaths more traumatic for all involved-one could argue that was the intent.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He DID die of an overdose of an opiate (stronger than morphine) and a muscle relaxant (like a more potent valium).
    Plenty of people use this method for suicide or euthanasia and guess what-they gasp for air-its a reflex and not related to pain at all.

    Lethal injection is a pretty straightforward means of death, but the left in its effort to circumvent the will of the people has made these deaths more traumatic for all involved-one could argue that was the intent.
    I'm going on what they're saying on the news....convulsions and now saying it took 25 minutes to die. I have no problem with the timeframe....I'd like to know why they cant do this as simply as putting down a dog....they just relax and go to sleep.

    Maybe that's the issue...the expectations...and that's why the family is so upset. But to me, seems like a real lack of competency and an indication of medical limitations if we cant achieve the same standard for humans. (If there were convulsions and gasping)
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm going on what they're saying on the news....convulsions and now saying it took 25 minutes to die. I have no problem with the timeframe....I'd like to know why they cant do this as simply as putting down a dog....they just relax and go to sleep.

    Maybe that's the issue...the expectations...and that's why the family is so upset. But to me, seems like a real lack of competency and an indication of medical limitations if we cant achieve the same standard for humans. (If there were convulsions and gasping)
    probably because the FDA hasn't cleared the animal drugs for use in humans.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Sounds like they need to add a paralytic to the mix early on. Just add a little Fugu fish.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not if you're the innocent dead guy or his family it's not worth it. If it's just to keep psycho killers away from the population, life-long imprisonment achieves the same.
    No, it doesn't - they have been known to escape and kill again. Or to kill prison guards. The only way to ensure they never do it again is to execute them.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Ugh. So as an update....it took this guy 15 minutes to die, in convulsions.

    How incompetent are they? This is just ridiculous. It's not like you can give him an overdose for God's sake.
    yeah they should bring back the chair. or hanging. the Ohio AG noted that while a murderer should not face cruel and unusual punishment, he is not entitled to a Painless execution



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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The reason I am against capital punishment has nothing to do with the perp, I merely regret someone did not plug him before he killed someone. My problem with CP is the lack of respect for life demonstrated by the government involved. I care not for them, I am concerned aobut a society that would kill someone that is no longer a threat to that society.
    that's a well reasoned argument. A man I used to work with who is now a well respected Federal Judge noted to me

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Practically speaking, the right "mix" needs to be found now, a replacement for the drug that is no longer available.

    I think 25 minutes is too long. Yes, the victims of those who face capital punishment suffered so much more and undeservedly, but execution is about who we are, not who he is.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Practically speaking, the right "mix" needs to be found now, a replacement for the drug that is no longer available.

    I think 25 minutes is too long. Yes, the victims of those who face capital punishment suffered so much more and undeservedly, but execution is about who we are, not who he is.
    Potassium Chloride will stop the heart very quickly but libs dont like the slight burning sensation it can cause for a few seconds just before death. So he didn't get that drug.

    Then, when it takes a while they whine about that too.

    Id argue some anti-dp people WANT there to be botched or apparently inhumane executions, believing it will further their cause.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Potassium Chloride will stop the heart very quickly but libs dont like the slight burning sensation it can cause for a few seconds just before death. So he didn't get that drug.

    Then, when it takes a while they whine about that too.

    Id argue some anti-dp people WANT there to be botched or apparently inhumane executions, believing it will further their cause.
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