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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So your not against the death plenty then?
    I am only for it in cases of genocide.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Well?
    Are you asking why murder is wrong? Because the death penalty is a murderous activity by definition.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The death penalty is barbaric and committing a crime does not remove his right to life. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. There is also always the fact there could be an error and it is hard to release a dead man.
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    The reason the death penalty should ever be used is in the case of genocide. Life imprisonment means we take everything from them and they will never see freedom again. It is barbaric to kill someone in the name of justice especially when there could be error.
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    I am only for it in cases of genocide.
    So what is the difference to you when it comes to genocide and let's say 1st degree murder?

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Aekos View Post
    Are you asking why murder is wrong? Because the death penalty is a murderous activity by definition.
    I asked why government killing a citizen is "outrageous and barbaric." All murder is killing but not all killing is murder.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I asked why government killing a citizen is "outrageous and barbaric." All murder is killing but not all killing is murder.
    I'll illustrate the point as a syllogism:

    P1: Murder is immoral
    P2: Convicted criminals are not always guilty
    P3: Life is preferable to death
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    C: The death penalty is immoral and is not preferable to life in prison

    Killing an innocent person, which is a risk with the death penalty, is by definition murder.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So what is the difference to you when it comes to genocide and let's say 1st degree murder?
    Well for one it is almost impossible to be wrongly prosecuted for genocide. There is also the fact that is the systematic killing of 1000s through abuse of power, and violations of various kinds.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Back when my Mawmaw was alive (that is Arkansas for Grandma), when she would see a news story about someone that had done something like this guy and raped and killed a pregnant woman, she should just say: "Some people just need a killin." I agree.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well for one it is almost impossible to be wrongly prosecuted for genocide. There is also the fact that is the systematic killing of 1000s through abuse of power, and violations of various kinds.
    But Almost is not a 100% and according to you if their is chance an innocent could be killed then their should be no death penalty.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Aekos View Post
    I'll illustrate the point as a syllogism:

    P1: Murder is immoral
    P2: Convicted criminals are not always guilty
    P3: Life is preferable to death
    =
    C: The death penalty is immoral and is not preferable to life in prison

    Killing an innocent person, which is a risk with the death penalty, is by definition murder.
    That may work in a freshman Philosophy 101 class, but not here.

    As a society we decided long ago that we sanction some civil killing. (I exclude warfare, an entirely different discussion.) When pro-choice prevailed over pro-life that milestone was passed. We decided we could live with the destruction of some human life in order to accomplish something else we deemed worth the sacrifice. For the record, I'm pro-choice; I understand why we condone abortion. Having justified en bloc the killing of assuredly innocent fetuses, there can be no claim on behalf of convicted criminals, whose death-worthiness, as a calculated matter, is nearly infinitely greater. Put most plainly, we do not hold life sacred. I'm fine with that, and I decline to indulge in a hypocritical fudge factor on behalf of shallow sentimentalism.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Supposedly thats what happened to Kim Jong Un's uncle recently. Him and several others were stripped and put into a cage with over 100 hungry dogs. Supposedly over 300 party officials watched it take place-it took over an hour.
    Kim Jong Un's executed uncle was eaten alive by 120 hungry dogs: report - World News
    Now that I would consider cruel and unusual punishment! Apparently political crimes are taken quite seriously in North Korea! "He was a womanizer and a traitor who tried to grab power" was the official explanation given!

    Greetings, US Conservative.

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