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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Yes, I do see the difference but in the end, both are dead, NK is slightly more barbaric.
    slightly? lol, people on this board crack me up at times.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The company that was selling pentobartiol to the U.S. for past lethal injections has stopped on moral objections to it being used for human execution, so that's the reason why the new drug combo is being tested.

    There is zero evidence that suffering is less when someone is killed in this way. It just looks that way from the outside because their body is paralyzed so they can't express it. Much like how we assume that people who die in their sleep always die peacefully. For all we know it is a horrible way to go, especially now that an untested drug combo is being used.
    From 1803-1897 Ohio used hanging as a method of capital punishment
    From 1897-1963 the electric chair was put into use. It's nickname, Old Sparky.
    June 29, 1972 U.S. Supreme Court overturns the death penalty due to application concerns. The 65 prisoners on Death Row in Ohio had their sentences reduced to life. Then in 1974 Ohio re-established the Death Penalty mandating its use for certain crimes. But then by 1978 the law was ruled unconstitutional and all on death row had their sentences reduced to life.
    1981- Death penalty was re-instated using the electric chair
    1993- Lethal injection is added as an option and by 1994 voters decide to shorten the appeal time for convicted murderers and by 1995 voters amend the Ohio Constitution, limiting the Governor’s authority in providing clemency.
    In 2001, Governor Taft signed a bill eliminating the use of the electric chair and now executions are solely done by lethal injection.

    I suppose there are many states that have a similar history. Whatever discomfort the convict endures in any execution is but a matter of minutes. Their victims often endured hours, days and sometimes months of pain and suffering before their lives were taken from them.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    No government should kill its citizens if they are off the streets and under control. Killing them is killing them, telling yourself it is painless is great, but they are still dead. Barbaric. You are pretty funny yourself.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No government should kill its citizens if they are off the streets and under control. Killing them is killing them, telling yourself it is painless is great, but they are still dead. Barbaric. You are pretty funny yourself.
    I made pretty clear that I generally disagree with the death penalty. But to equate an execution designed to be painless to having someone ripped apart by enraged animals is ****ing moronic and shows a complete inability to consider context, nuance, nor circumstance.

    There isn't even much someone can even say to you at that point

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    See you are funny. the death penalty is barbaric and makes us no better then the Chinese, NK or ME countries we criticize so much. But yea, it is painless.
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    I made pretty clear that I generally disagree with the death penalty. But to equate an execution designed to be painless to having someone ripped apart by enraged animals is ****ing moronic and shows a complete inability to consider context, nuance, nor circumstance.

    There isn't even much someone can even say to you at that point
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    From 1803-1897 Ohio used hanging as a method of capital punishment
    From 1897-1963 the electric chair was put into use. It's nickname, Old Sparky.
    June 29, 1972 U.S. Supreme Court overturns the death penalty due to application concerns. The 65 prisoners on Death Row in Ohio had their sentences reduced to life. Then in 1974 Ohio re-established the Death Penalty mandating its use for certain crimes. But then by 1978 the law was ruled unconstitutional and all on death row had their sentences reduced to life.
    1981- Death penalty was re-instated using the electric chair
    1993- Lethal injection is added as an option and by 1994 voters decide to shorten the appeal time for convicted murderers and by 1995 voters amend the Ohio Constitution, limiting the Governorís authority in providing clemency.
    In 2001, Governor Taft signed a bill eliminating the use of the electric chair and now executions are solely done by lethal injection.

    I suppose there are many states that have a similar history. Whatever discomfort the convict endures in any execution is but a matter of minutes. Their victims often endured hours, days and sometimes months of pain and suffering before their lives were taken from them.
    : Great post!

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Because despite the salivating blood hounds who love nothing more than to wreak vengeance upon people they deem the scum of the earth, we have a duty to avoid cruel and unusual punishment. Lethal injection was promoted on the premise that it is less cruel than earlier methods, but the entire basis of that assumption was that the criminal never expressed suffering during the procedure. Well duh, of course they don't if they're under anesthesia, but that doesn't rule out suffering one bit.

    There are thousands of cases worldwide each year of people who wake up during surgery, fully aware of all bodily sensations, but cannot move or communicate their suffering.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    See you are funny. the death penalty is barbaric and makes us no better then the Chinese, NK or ME countries we criticize so much. But yea, it is painless.
    you're making a false equivalency. There is a difference in both manner and effect in executing someone in a quick and relatively painless manner, and having them ripped apart by animals.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you're making a false equivalency. There is a difference in both manner and effect in executing someone in a quick and relatively painless manner, and having them ripped apart by animals.
    Well, the end result is the same. A person is dead.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, the end result is the same. A person is dead.

    No ****, but the method n how the goal is reached and the effect it has on the individual reaching it, are completely different. And it really does your position no favors ignoring such obvious things

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