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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There is nothing "humane" about ending the life of another person, no matter how deserving they may be of death.
    Somebody has to end the life. The guy is defenseless and strapped in a chair. Who wants to do that? I mean, if somebody actually wants to do it because they desire to do so, then I think they are mentally disturbed.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government declares such an action is just and leaves it up to the jury to make the wonderful little decision. I guess what you're saying is that you're fine with the decision as long as it is not just one person making it.
    I will honestly say in many cases, no, I don't have a problem with that. Like I said before, some people just deserve to die.

    I'm not saying my way is moral and just, only that I think some people deserve to die. That is a flaw with me I know, but I can't help it none the less.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I will honestly say in many cases, no, I don't have a problem with that. Like I said before, some people just deserve to die.

    I'm not saying my way is moral and just, only that I think some people deserve to die. That is a flaw with me I know, but I can't help it none the less.
    Actually you can. You just have to understand the flawed logic of your stance, and decide to change it. Since you have already done the former, the later shouldn't be hard to do.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually you can. You just have to understand the flawed logic of your stance, and decide to change it. Since you have already done the former, the later shouldn't be hard to do.
    Sorry, but no. This has been my stance my whole life and it isn't going to change. Some murderers deserve to die and I don't shed a tear for them when it happens.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I agree with you in one respect. I don't really understand what would make anyone have such little respect for life that they could hurt a child or brutally rape another. That, however, does not justify the government having the same lack of respect for life. Only God should decide when someone should leave this earth.
    Well if you believe in God and have read your Bible, then you know He too believed in capital punishment. Capital punishment was a significant feature in the justice system of Old Testament Israel. Execution was called for in response to extreme civil crimes like murder and rape. There were mechanisms in place to avert the death penalty in some situations, and God sometimes spared the lives of people whose actions, legally speaking, would have otherwise meant the death penalty. The establishment of capital punishment in ancient Israel is often used to argue for the death penalty in modern times—and it seems reasonable to conclude that since God incorporated it into Israelite society, I don't see how some now claim it antithetical to His nature.

    The death penalty was never employed arbitrarily or frivolously. In fact, observing the use of capital punishment in the Old Testament actually shows us how precious human life is to God. Because human beings are image-bearers of God, murder was such a serious affront to both God and man that it had to be answered with the blood of the murderer. Genesis 9:6 suggests that this sense of justice is woven into the moral fabric of Creation:


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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are okay with the state having the power to kill citizens?
    The state is acting on behalf of the people, and yes if all burdens are met I am fine with it.

    The death penalty is the highest order of punishment we have. Its not about rehab, or deterrence-its about punishment-and it always has until very recently.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The state is acting on behalf of the people, and yes if all burdens are met I am fine with it.

    The death penalty is the highest order of punishment we have. Its not about rehab, or deterrence-its about punishment-and it always has until very recently.
    No, the prosecution alone decides whether to pursue a death penalty. You should read my links and see who we are keeping company with, in our barbaric death penalty punishment. It's pretty disheartening that we are still so unenlightened when it comes to some things, and that we would rather sacrifice innocent people than just do away with an unnecessary and outdated form of punishment.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but no. This has been my stance my whole life and it isn't going to change. Some murderers deserve to die and I don't shed a tear for them when it happens.
    Agreed. This is where many libertarians and I part ways- the subject of the death penalty. As far as I am concerned, when you murder your fellow human, you forfeit your humanity, as you have shown yourself unfit to be a member of civil society.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, the prosecution alone decides whether to pursue a death penalty. You should read my links and see who we are keeping company with, in our barbaric death penalty punishment. It's pretty disheartening that we are still so unenlightened when it comes to some things, and that we would rather sacrifice innocent people than just do away with an unnecessary and outdated form of punishment.
    The prosecution decides to prosecute based on evidence. It should be noted that several different prosecutors in various criminal courts work on the same case. Each time, a jury must decide unanimously. If even one juror feels the burden is not met than there is no conviction.

    Heres my question for you-WHEN did the death penalty become barbaric? The process hasn't changed, and it was always seen as acceptable. The voters of each state get to determine this, is that acceptable?

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Given what he did to get there, I find it hard to care much.

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