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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Not really. Innocent people die all the time. The death penalty can be tailored to exclude cases in which guilt is in doubt, and a certain quality of evidence must be presented for the death penalty to be an available option.
    Saying that innocent people die all the time doesn't negate the fact that letting one innocent person die due to the death penalty is too big of a risk to take.

    Making extra-special rules for a case to qualify to be a death penalty case is still not enough. There will eventually be error, and we still might kill an innocent person. I can't support that in good conscious.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

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    Saying that innocent people die all the time doesn't negate the fact that letting one innocent person die due to the death penalty is too big of a risk to take.
    Why? What makes the death penalty exceptional?

    Making extra-special rules for a case to qualify to be a death penalty case is still not enough. There will eventually be error, and we still might kill an innocent person. I can't support that in good conscious.
    Not if you make the qualifications rigorous enough. Ensure that there's no doubt of guilt, be it multiple eyewitness accounts, DNA evidence, video evidence, admission of guilt etc. None on it's own enough to seek the death penalty, but some combination of those.

    Life in prison is sufficient punishment and when we do find an error, we can rectify it as best we can.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why? What makes the death penalty exceptional?
    Because it is totally avoidable, because it is done in the guise of justice, because we don't need to have the death penalty to have a functional justice system.

    Not if you make the qualifications rigorous enough. Ensure that there's no doubt of guilt, be it multiple eyewitness accounts, DNA evidence, video evidence, admission of guilt etc. None on it's own enough to seek the death penalty, but some combination of those.
    Yeah, still not enough for me. People make mistakes, and those mistakes could lead to the avoidable death of an innocent. Still not worth it.


    Life in prison is worse for an innocent man than death. You cannot rectify it.
    This is just flat out wrong. With a incorrectly applied life sentence there is always the hope of getting out, of being exonerated and living a free life. With the death penalty that is never an option. We can't dig up an innocent person and let them live the free life they deserve. They are dead and gone and that risk is not worth having the death penalty.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    According to what I read, the guy is asking for mercy because of being a victim of child abuse and mental illness.

    I feel most sorry for the loved ones of the condemned. Its got to be horrible to watch the clock tick to the moment their son, husband or dad is being killed. The emotional toll on innocent loved ones is in my opinion the one argument I can sympathize with the most.

    In this case, I don't think there's any doubt as to the guilt of the perpetrator. I wonder if knowing the date and time of ones death is actually a blessing in a strange way allowing him to prepare to meet his maker as opposed to being caught by surprise some day in the future.

    That all said, I feel the most sympathy for the lady he killed, her baby and the loved ones she left behind horribly grief stricken. As to the fact that the drugs are untested, I'm not concerned. Medical science knows what drugs can kill a person if overdosed and in what amounts. If I'm not mistaken, the primary drug used is given at 100 times the amount that would kill a person.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well if you don't have the death penalty you don't need to worry about what drugs to kill people. I am never in favour of the death penalty, it is barbaric and has no place in a modern justice system. There is too much room for error.
    Really? Where have there been errors?

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Not really. Innocent people die all the time. The death penalty can be tailored to exclude cases in which guilt is in doubt, and a certain quality of evidence must be presented for the death penalty to be an available option.
    If guilt is in doubt, then they should be let free.
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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    What's wrong with carbon monoxide?

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

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    I prefer the guillotine. Swift and sure.
    Seems unnecessary in an age where prisons can be extremely secure and where we are still faced with evidence of an imperfect legal system.

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    Re: Ohio killer to get 2-drug injection untried in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Seems unnecessary in an age where prisons can be extremely secure and where we are still faced with evidence of an imperfect legal system.
    What the death penalty does is guarantee who ever is put to death doesn't commit any more crimes or kill anymore people. I do not think it was ever a deterrent. But I still like the guillotine.
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