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Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

Capster78 said:
"In Chicago, the police also said the number of shootings fell 24 percent from 2,448 to 1,864 between 2012 and 2013, and the number of shooting victims dropped from 3,066 to 2,328 for the same period. Further, the department said every police district in the city saw a reduction in crime and all but four of the city's 22 police districts saw the number of homicides either fall or remain the same as the year before."

2013 Ends With a Big Drop in Homicides in Chicago - ABC News

While the article also mentions things such as more police officers posted in high crime areas with more overtime being paid, other articles also mention that thousands of guns were pulled from those areas where those police officers patrolled.
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I wonder if the population stayed steady during this time or did it drop/rise?
 
Ockham said:
I wonder if the population stayed steady during this time or did it drop/rise?
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I am sure you can find SOME reason why it had nothing to do with gun control. If you look close enough at any situation, you will find the evidence you need to continue deceiving yourself.
 
Capster78 said:
"In Chicago, the police also said the number of shootings fell 24 percent from 2,448 to 1,864 between 2012 and 2013, and the number of shooting victims dropped from 3,066 to 2,328 for the same period. Further, the department said every police district in the city saw a reduction in crime and all but four of the city's 22 police districts saw the number of homicides either fall or remain the same as the year before."

2013 Ends With a Big Drop in Homicides in Chicago - ABC News

While the article also mentions things such as more police officers posted in high crime areas with more overtime being paid, other articles also mention that thousands of guns were pulled from those areas where those police officers patrolled.
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So in other words, enough things happened that the reason a murder rate went from 50/100,000 to 43/100,000, can only be speculated. My speculation was the larger policing effort.

Criminals don't follow gun laws. get real!
 
Ockham said:
I wonder if the population stayed steady during this time or did it drop/rise?
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The way to look at data like this is by percent, which will show the true impact.

Generally, the number is given as murders per 100,000 population, which represents a percentage.

This will account for population variances over time, and reflect the truth of the numbers.

Your question is very valid, and reflects mathematical accuracy.

ETA - looks like the problem is getting accurate population numbers.
The only info that I found showed about 2.7 million, but no concrete data for 2012 and 2013.
I expect the mayor and his team to spin the numbers and make it look as good as they can.
 
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Capster78 said:
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Is it your belief that gun control is the reason that the very high gun crime rate in Chicago is still very high but shootings and shooting victims have decreased from 2012 levels?
 
Capster78 said:
I am sure you can find SOME reason why it had nothing to do with gun control. If you look close enough at any situation, you will find the evidence you need to continue deceiving yourself.
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Same way that you attributed the drop to guns removed from the streets.

Your dishonesty and hypocrisy are quite apparent.
 
1. Good. The trend across the Western World has been downward for some time, and it is excellent to see that Chicago is part of that.

2. The recent movement in Illinois and Chicago has been in favor of greater access to guns on the part of the citizenry, not less. Gun Control Advocates may want to pause before they celebrate the "success" of their preferred policies.
 
Lord of Planar said:
So in other words, enough things happened that the reason a murder rate went from 50/100,000 to 43/100,000, can only be speculated. My speculation was the larger policing effort.

Criminals don't follow gun laws. get real!
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They don't, that is true. Which is why we need more police officers on the street enforcing them.
 
Personally, I think attributing violent crime reduction to changes in gun control laws - whether they reduce or increase control - is a case of correlation rather than causation.

I mean, it MIGHT be related, but there are so many OTHER factors in play that it's about as unscientific a conclusion as it is possible to make.
 
Capster78 said:
I am sure you can find SOME reason why it had nothing to do with gun control. If you look close enough at any situation, you will find the evidence you need to continue deceiving yourself.
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Deceive myself of what? I don't live in Chicago, don't visit Chicago, hate their hockey team and from my view, would be the 2nd to the last place I'd want to go to. But hey, whatever makes you feel better.
 
SMTA said:
Your question is very valid, and reflects mathematical accuracy.
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Thanks. Capster78 however thinks it's unfair to ask about Math.
 
Ockham said:
Thanks. Capster78 however thinks it's unfair to ask about Math.
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You want to talk about math, then prove the reduction in population came from the demographics most responsible for crime in chicago. I am guessing you wont be able to. As most people who are, are to poor to move out of the ghetto, that's why they are there.
 
Capster78 said:
You want to talk about math, then prove the reduction in population came from the demographics most responsible for crime in chicago. I am guessing you wont be able to. As most people who are, are to poor to move out of the ghetto, that's why they are there.
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But we are waiting for you to prove it is related to gun control.
 
scatt said:
But we are waiting for you to prove it is related to gun control.
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I already did, more police officers, confiscating more weapons and enforcing the law.
 
Capster78 said:
I already did, more police officers, confiscating more weapons and enforcing the law.
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It is an article about a reduction in crime, with the police saying it is because of the police. That is not proof, yes?
 
Capster78 said:
You want to talk about math, then prove the reduction in population came from the demographics most responsible for crime in chicago. I am guessing you wont be able to. As most people who are, are to poor to move out of the ghetto, that's why they are there.
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I never claimed a reduction in population I asked a QUESTION about it, and you seem to hate questions or math. Which is it?
Learn to read better.
 
Capster78 said:
Sounds like the gun control people are taking the same line as the global warming people. Evidence of a drop in homicides in conjunction with stiffer gun control has nothing to do with stiffer gun control laws.
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so overturning the ban was stiffer gun control laws? Its fun seeing you be WRONG 100% of the time
 
Ockham said:
I never claimed a reduction in population I asked a QUESTION about it, and you seem to hate questions or math. Which is it?
Learn to read better.
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It would cloud his sniveling twisting of facts only to support his viewpoint.
 
Capster78 said:
I haven't seen any evidence that it is not related to gun control. What I have seen is that the city is taking measures to reduce the number of guns on the streets. Coincidentally, I guess, the number of murders, for no reason at all, has gone down 20%. 100 less people were killed in a span of a year and the only major change is a change in the gun control laws. I just add 1+1= which apparently coincidentally equals 2..
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As others have noted, the Chicago gun control laws were tossed out in the courts this past year - if you believe in coincidence, you could argue that more legal guns in the hands of the public made those with illegal guns in their hands less likely to use them.

For me, the answer probably lies in more police work, more police outreach, and more community involvement as a result of the outcry about young black children being murdered in the streets. I'd be more inclined to think it had to do with black leaders and concerned citizens speaking out against the violence in their communities. If "gun control" in whatever form was responsible, you'd have more than a 20% drop, wouldn't you?
 
xxstevennnxx said:
"Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?
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Crime, especially violent crime, has fallen nationally for the past twenty years. Wouldn't you consider it possible that there are larger more impactful macrotrends that are playing a role here than something as simple as gun control?
 
Capster78 said:
"In Chicago, the police also said the number of shootings fell 24 percent from 2,448 to 1,864 between 2012 and 2013, and the number of shooting victims dropped from 3,066 to 2,328 for the same period. Further, the department said every police district in the city saw a reduction in crime and all but four of the city's 22 police districts saw the number of homicides either fall or remain the same as the year before."

2013 Ends With a Big Drop in Homicides in Chicago - ABC News

While the article also mentions things such as more police officers posted in high crime areas with more overtime being paid, other articles also mention that thousands of guns were pulled from those areas where those police officers patrolled.
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Just out of curiosity...are you a big supporter of the random stop and frisk police tactic employed to check random citizens for weapons?

And we would all I'm sure still love to see which new handgun laws are being employed that are targeting criminals.
 
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