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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    So in other words, enough things happened that the reason a murder rate went from 50/100,000 to 43/100,000, can only be speculated. My speculation was the larger policing effort.

    Criminals don't follow gun laws. get real!
    They don't, that is true. Which is why we need more police officers on the street enforcing them.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Personally, I think attributing violent crime reduction to changes in gun control laws - whether they reduce or increase control - is a case of correlation rather than causation.

    I mean, it MIGHT be related, but there are so many OTHER factors in play that it's about as unscientific a conclusion as it is possible to make.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I am sure you can find SOME reason why it had nothing to do with gun control. If you look close enough at any situation, you will find the evidence you need to continue deceiving yourself.
    Deceive myself of what? I don't live in Chicago, don't visit Chicago, hate their hockey team and from my view, would be the 2nd to the last place I'd want to go to. But hey, whatever makes you feel better.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post

    Your question is very valid, and reflects mathematical accuracy.
    Thanks. Capster78 however thinks it's unfair to ask about Math.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thanks. Capster78 however thinks it's unfair to ask about Math.
    You want to talk about math, then prove the reduction in population came from the demographics most responsible for crime in chicago. I am guessing you wont be able to. As most people who are, are to poor to move out of the ghetto, that's why they are there.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You want to talk about math, then prove the reduction in population came from the demographics most responsible for crime in chicago. I am guessing you wont be able to. As most people who are, are to poor to move out of the ghetto, that's why they are there.
    But we are waiting for you to prove it is related to gun control.

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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    But we are waiting for you to prove it is related to gun control.
    I already did, more police officers, confiscating more weapons and enforcing the law.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I already did, more police officers, confiscating more weapons and enforcing the law.
    It is an article about a reduction in crime, with the police saying it is because of the police. That is not proof, yes?

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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You want to talk about math, then prove the reduction in population came from the demographics most responsible for crime in chicago. I am guessing you wont be able to. As most people who are, are to poor to move out of the ghetto, that's why they are there.
    I never claimed a reduction in population I asked a QUESTION about it, and you seem to hate questions or math. Which is it?
    Learn to read better.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by xxstevennnxx View Post
    "Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

    Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

    What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?
    wow a newbie who didn't know that the chicago gun ban was struck down as unconstitutional in June of 2010.



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