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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by xxstevennnxx View Post
    How do you figure? The conservative rhetoric has been that stricter gun control has lead to higher murder rates in the city of Chicago. This simply is not true.
    So far, all the evidence is that it is true, and nothing that you've posted has credibly cast any doubt on it.

    Chicago has long had one of the worst murder rates in the nation, and also some of the most extreme gun control.

    Chicago's gun control laws were recently struck down by the Supreme Court, and the murder rate there has declined somewhat. If there is any connection between these two facts, then the evidence here certainly does suggest a correlation between stricter gun control and a higher murder rate; and certainly does nothing to suggest the reverse.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Only 412 homicides in the city of Chicago, now that is something to be proud of. Chicago is probably on the top ten list of the best cities to live in.
    Heya BF. Well lets not forget how Chicago justice works and who it works for.



    It’s getting easier to get away with shooting people in Chicago.

    Last year, gunmen who shot and wounded someone got away without criminal charges 94 percent of the time, according to a DNAinfo.com Chicago analysis of police data.

    That’s even worse than 2011, when 91.5 percent of shooters escaped charges, according to the data



    In 2012, Chicago police cleared 211 aggravated battery with a firearm cases — 11 percent of the 1,893 incidents where someone was shot and wounded during the calendar year.

    But of those cases, only 111 shootings — about 6 percent — resulted in charges. The other 100 cases were "cleared exceptionally,” which means police know who the shooter is but were unable to bring charges, the state’s attorney wouldn’t bring charges, a victim refused to testify after identifying a shooter or the offender was dead.

    Detectives in 2012 were able to clear 144 cases that happened before 2012. But even when you factor in those cases, Chicago's total clearance rate — 18.8 percent — is nearly half the national average cited in the most recent FBI report on clearance rates.

    In 2010, eight police departments in cities with more than 1 million residents cleared 35.5 percent of nonfatal shootings with an arrest, the FBI report shows.

    Police sources told DNAinfo.com Chicago that the Cook County State's Attorney's "felony review" process also has made it difficult to bring charges against shooters.

    About 83 percent of last year's nonfatal shooting investigations were suspended. In 2011, 78 percent of nonfatal shooting investigations were suspended, according to police data.

    We should look at what is preventing cases being charged. Is it a matter of workload? Is it a matter of community cooperation? Is it a matter of prosecutors not wanting to take these cases?" Weis said.....snip~

    Most Shooters In Chicago Don't Face Charges - Chicago - DNAinfo.com Chicago

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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by xxstevennnxx View Post
    WOW so you show a video of one of Chicago's most dangerous Neighborhoods, and try to pass that off as representing all of Chicago? That seems real fair. The City of Chicago is Beautiful, and has some of the nicest and safest suburbs in the US.

    Two can play that game:

    New Homes For Sale in Chicago Suburbs - Hoffman Estates, IL - YouTube
    I have no reasons to play a game. Chicago suburbs are nice, but we were not talking about the suburbs. We were talking about the actual city. Downtown is nice, but then again detroit's is not bad either.

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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by xxstevennnxx View Post
    "Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

    Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

    What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?
    That is still a higher per capita rate than many states. That is like a Drunk Driver saying he made it back this time...and he only clipped a Few cars.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Actually I thought it was because the courts demanded the people be allowed concealed weapons permits for the first time in decades?


    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Ever thought that may be because prison sentences were given out more frequently in the last few years? Perhaps more people went to jail and were kept there.

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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    I have no reasons to play a game. Chicago suburbs are nice, but we were not talking about the suburbs. We were talking about the actual city. Downtown is nice, but then again detroit's is not bad either.


    Yeah, they do at times tend to forget about some of the realities that don't even make news coverage or that the police report on. Not if it will make them look really bad.


    Chicago Has Most Gang Members In The United States, Social Media Popular Among Recruits: Report

    The Chicago Crime Commission released an updated book about Chicago gangs this week, which reveals that the Windy City has more gang members than any other U.S. city.

    The book gives an in-depth account of how gangs in Chicago have changed over the last five years. One disturbing thing researchers found was that gangs have been recruiting children at a very young age to join their ranks.

    "Some of these leaders are 15 to 17 years old, so it's not that unusual for somebody at that age to be able to influence somebody in second or third grade," former Chicago Police superintendent Jody Weis told WGN News. Weis is now the president of the commission.

    Vulnerable kids looking for structure and discipline in their lives will often reach out to the gang leaders, which is why Weis said it is important for parents to be more engaged with their kids, Fox Chicago reports.

    According to the book, Chicago now has more than 70 gangs made up of more than 150,000 members. Social media has also become a popular way for gang members to communicate with one another, which could be a helpful tool for police, but also has incited violence.

    The Chicago Sun-Times reports:

    The 320-page book details some web conversations among gang members, where they discuss drug deals, murders and other gang activity.....snip~

    Chicago Has Most Gang Members In The United States, Social Media Popular Among Recruits: Report

    By the way.....that's the City proper and not counting all suburbs.

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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    That's like bragging your wife took 1st in a professional body building contest.
    I was thinking the same thing

    PS it should also be noted that regardless of your stance on gun control laws, regional controls like this are likely the least effective form of legislation imaginable. Being that it does create the very scenario the gun nuts constantly scream about: the only one's armed are the criminals. Being that it isn't exactly difficult to get a gun outside the confines of Chicago and the type of people committing such crimes are not really concerned about breaking such laws to begin with
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by xxstevennnxx View Post
    What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?
    High court strikes down Chicago handgun ban - CNN.com

    I doubt gun control laws were the reason for lowered homicides
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I can't read the linked article, as it is behind a paywall.

    Is it your intent to claim that Chicago has recently imposed tighter gun control laws than before, and that these tighter laws are responsible for the drop in the homicide rate?

    The last news of any significance that I recall regarding Chicago's gun control laws was that the U.S. Supreme Court struck them down as unconstitutional; and that Chicago was scrambling to try to implement new laws that comply with the recent Supreme Court ruling. Any such laws, if they got enacted, and have any hope of standing, would be less strict than those that were struck down.

    And even with that drop in the homicide rate, Chicago remains one of the most murderously violent cities in the United States—hardly any basis on which to hold them up as an example of a place that is doing anything right with regard to the issue of violent crime.
    Sounds like the gun control people are taking the same line as the global warming people. Evidence of a drop in homicides in conjunction with stiffer gun control has nothing to do with stiffer gun control laws.
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    Re: Chicago Murder rate drops to lowest point in 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by xxstevennnxx View Post
    "Chicago is slated to end 2013 with fewer murders than at any time since the early 1960s with 412 homicides"

    Chicago Homicides Down by 17% in 2013 - WSJ.com

    What was all of that Republican rhetoric about failed gun control laws?
    Toronto and Chicago are virtually the same size, population wise - we alternate back and forth as the fourth or fifth largest city in North America after Mexico City, New York and Los Angeles. In Toronto, we generally have about 50-60 murders a year, and we consider that to be quite high even if a majority of those murdered are active in gangs or crime of some sort. I hardly think 412 murders is something to cheer about although any reduction is good.

    As for gun control laws, if you can indicate that the number of murders committed by use of a gun, particularly an illegal gun, has drastically fallen since the introduction of gun control regulations in Chicago, you may have a point - however, I'm guessing you've got no such evidence.
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