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    Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    WASHINGTON — Justice Sonia Sotomayor on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Obama administration from forcing some religious-affiliated groups to provide health insurance coverage of birth control or face penalties as part of the Affordable Care Act.

    Acting at the request of an order of nuns in Colorado, Justice Sotomayor issued the stay just hours before the requirement was to go into effect on New Year’s Day. She gave the Obama administration until Friday to respond to the Supreme Court.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Sounds like they are now committed to hearing the case. Laws with political agendas are always bad laws. Yet the lawmakers continue passing them. We need to give them more and longer vacations.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Sounds like they are now committed to hearing the case. Laws with political agendas are always bad laws. Yet the lawmakers continue passing them. We need to give them more and longer vacations.
    They are already hearing multiple cases on the issue. There is that one and there is the other one by hobby lobby about the same thing.

    there are so many different verdicts on this healthcare law that it should be deemed unconstitutional and ended. seem like every federal judge rules differently than the other one making it impossible to figure out what is legal and not legal.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    They are already hearing multiple cases on the issue. There is that one and there is the other one by hobby lobby about the same thing. there are so many different verdicts on this healthcare law that it should be deemed unconstitutional and ended. seem like every federal judge rules differently than the other one making it impossible to figure out what is legal and not legal.
    Actually Hobby Lobby is quite different. A secular corporation that was agreeable to many forms of contraception but not anything they considered akin to abortion- devices and drugs that prevent the fertilized egg implanting on the wall.

    The Nuns represent a religious order that doesn't want ANY form of contraceptive in an insurance plan. The Nuns had several paths to avoid the court case but seem intent on forcing the issue in court. (Traditionally religious orders can opt out of federal plans if they certify they are self insuring, the Amish do this)

    Our system works by a series of courts to decide important issues- not just one judge of one court of appeals. Once the Supreme Court makes a ruling it is quite possible to figure out what is legal and what isn't. To this day people are still arguing the Civil Rights Act of 1964- that some wish to constantly batter away until they get their way doesn't mean the system doesn't work or that important social issues are too complex to be implemented. Just means some will use any excuse to deny.

    As an aside- when Justice Sotomayor was being grilled the CONs howled over what a liberal, activist Judge she was. The stay she issued should please many CONs out there. but then again it decided nothing.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The Nuns represent a religious order that doesn't want ANY form of contraceptive in an insurance plan. The Nuns had several paths to avoid the court case but seem intent on forcing the issue in court. (Traditionally religious orders can opt out of federal plans if they certify they are self insuring, the Amish do this)
    "The administration says it has exempted churches from the contraceptive coverage requirement and offered an accommodation to certain religious nonprofit groups. But the Becket Fund argued that “the ‘accommodation’ still forces the Little Sisters to find an insurer who will cover sterilization, contraceptive and abortion-inducing drugs and devices.”

    This is partly why the nuns forced it into court.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    I don't see the reason why they weren't exempt.
    They are blatantly a religious, non-profit organization.

    They are not a BUSINESS that has to adhere to BUSINESS regulations like Hobby Lobby.

    They should never have had to go to court.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Well shoot, if being certain religions means getting exempt from Obamacare, im off to church everybody.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    "The administration says it has exempted churches from the contraceptive coverage requirement and offered an accommodation to certain religious nonprofit groups. But the Becket Fund argued that “the ‘accommodation’ still forces the Little Sisters to find an insurer who will cover sterilization, contraceptive and abortion-inducing drugs and devices.” This is partly why the nuns forced it into court.
    And I see the Becket Fund literally using the Little Sisters of the Poor as a stalking horse in the ACA debate. The Administration also allowed the religious order to self fund like the Amish do, but I imagine the Sisters want their cake in the secular world and eat it in the religious one while the Becket Fund wants a court fight.

    No one outside Becket and the nuns are forcing anyone to court....

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I see the Becket Fund literally using the Little Sisters of the Poor as a stalking horse in the ACA debate. The Administration also allowed the religious order to self fund like the Amish do, but I imagine the Sisters want their cake in the secular world and eat it in the religious one while the Becket Fund wants a court fight.

    No one outside Becket and the nuns are forcing anyone to court....
    Unless of course there is some sort of entity that is forcing nuns into buying abortion insurance. What could that be?

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    What I don't get is that Sotomayor voted that the law is constitutional. How does that square with this ruling??

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