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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What the heck is the choice then.

    Get rid of Obamacare?
    Enforce it equally on everyone. Adherence to a religion does not exempt you from the law. So long as a law is not designed to inhibit or prohibit the exercise of a religion, then it is fine. And let's be honest, paying for insurance that covers birth control is a looooooong way from inhibiting or prohibiting someone from proclaiming Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. These issues over reproductive rights are peripheral to the religions involved. No law can interfere with those sorts of core beliefs, but they most certainly can with the peripherals. A meat processing factory, for example, could not get out of safety regulations merely because its owners sincerely believed that following Kosher or Halal rules were sufficient to make meat safe or holy or whatever. But no law should ever penalize them for not operating on Saturday or Friday, respectively. The difference comes from the impact on the community and employees, the proximity to the central tenets of the faith, and which components are purely about personal belief. An opinion is always protected. The manifestations of that opinion aren't always.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Wrong. the constutition clearly states that the government cannot interfere with the practice of religion. taking birth control is not a religious practice. being against birth control is a religious practice.
    If the rule is so ironclad, then what's to stop anyone from claiming anything as a religious practice? Is it up to the government to arbitrate what is or is not a legitimate religious practice? And isn't that WAY too much entanglement between government and religion?

    Also, your other two quotes are not by me. The way you have them posted attributes them to me. You might want to repost the rest of this post and properly credit the quotations.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    If the rule is so ironclad, then what's to stop anyone from claiming anything as a religious practice? Is it up to the government to arbitrate what is or is not a legitimate religious practice? And isn't that WAY too much entanglement between government and religion?
    there is a list of federally acknowledged religions. you must belong to and show that you are of that faith.
    clearly being a catholic nun does this.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    there is a list of federally acknowledged religions. you must belong to and show that you are of that faith.
    clearly being a catholic nun does this.
    Who keeps this "list" and where can I see who is on it?


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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    I think there is a bigger, and more important point that is being missed here.

    The federal government has imposed a law, the compliance with which can easily be found to seriously violate the religious and moral beliefs of a substantial portion of Americans.

    While we are arguing about which Americans ought or ought not be able to obtain the necessary exemptions from this law, in order to violate their religious and conscience rights; we are missing the point that the very fact that this conflict exists at all is a clear indication that the government, in imposing this law in the first place, has very far overstepped its legitimate authority. The violation of individual rights that this law imposes, and the inequality that must be created in carving out exceptions to this law to avoid these rights violations; very far outweighs any legitimate government interest that can possibly be claimed in defense of this law.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think there is a bigger, and more important point that is being missed here.

    The federal government has imposed a law, the compliance with which can easily be found to seriously violate the religious and moral beliefs of a substantial portion of Americans.

    While we are arguing about which Americans ought or ought not be able to obtain the necessary exemptions from this law, in order to violate their religious and conscience rights; we are missing the point that the very fact that this conflict exists at all is a clear indication that the government, in imposing this law in the first place, has very far overstepped its legitimate authority. The violation of individual rights that this law imposes, and the inequality that must be created in carving out exceptions to this law to avoid these rights violations; very far outweighs any legitimate government interest that can possibly be claimed in defense of this law.

    No individual is required to take birth control under this law. And we are a nation I hope that respects individual rights

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    No individual is required to take birth control under this law. And we are a nation I hope that respects individual rights
    As long as this particular law is in effect, and as long as a substantial portion of the population is OK with it, then no, we are not a nation that respects individual rights. There is no way to reconcile the ObamaCare scandal as a whole, and especially this aspect thereof, with respect for individual rights.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    As long as this particular law is in effect, and as long as a substantial portion of the population is OK with it, then no, we are not a nation that respects individual rights. There is no way to reconcile the ObamaCare scandal as a whole, and especially this aspect thereof, with respect for individual rights.
    Absolute BS Bob, it is up to the individual to choose not the church to choose for them.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Employers aren't people?
    Corporate entities are not people and this case isn't about what policies Little Sister has to buy
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Absolute BS Bob, it is up to the individual to choose not the church to choose for them.
    Well, now it's up to government to choose. And you're OK with this?
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Well, now it's up to government to choose. And you're OK with this?
    Government only gave the option. It is up to the individual whether or not they take the pill and conform to their employers dictate

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