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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And what does that have to do with this thread?
    the government is forcing organizations or busineses who do not believe in contraception to allow that. the constitution strictly prohibits this as it interferes with religious practices.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    No, other religious institutions can challenge the law and ask for an exemption. They haven't. Probably because birth control doesn't run counter to their doctrine.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then it appears to be a choice between: "Do we make a religion purchase insurance that provides contraception, which is counter to their beliefs"

    OR: "Do we give all religious institutions exemptions from this law."

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then it appears to be a choice between: "Do we make a religion purchase insurance that provides contraception, which is counter to their beliefs"

    OR: "Do we give all religious institutions exemptions from this law."
    The latter choice favors religion over non-religion, and certainly discriminates against religious beliefs that aren't officially recognized by the government. Both of those are unconstitutional.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Right but the employer has the right not to cover certain things if they don't want to. they are the ones that set the policy with the insurance company not the employee.
    by working and signing up for benefits you agree to whatever coverage they offer.

    There are businesses who's owners like hobby lobby have religious objections to contraceptives just like this nun organization and other religious institutions. the government forcing them to cover that is a direct violation of the constitution.

    since the Supreme court ruled earlier that corporations are considered people they get the same protections under the constitution as a person would which include religious freedom and practice of that religion.
    To say that is to say they can give me money that can only be spent on certain things. And while I disagree that corporations are people, that doesn't change that the compensation belongs to the employee and not the employer. The rules are fir the employee, and the employer. The employee might not hold the same beliefs as the employer.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Apparently the language of the form requires insurance companies to pay for contraception. So, in effect, signing the form would violate their religious views.

    If its true that the insurer in question is also exempted from the contraception part of Obamacare as the administration says, then why is the administration fighting the stay? Why not do nothing? The end result is the same. The're just being douche bags as usual.


    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law provides an exemption for the Little Sisters. All they have to do is fill out and sign a form.

    According to them, their religion doesn't allow them to fill out the form.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Of course you should be able to use that insurance for whatever it covers. That has nothing to do with the government telling people what kind of insurance they can and can't buy.
    Government hasn't done that. They said insurance should meet higher standards, the meet the individual needs. Again, for the employee. the employer has little to do with it, or at least more than when he pays cash to the employee and he spends it on all kinds if objectionable things.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the government is forcing organizations or busineses who do not believe in contraception to allow that. the constitution strictly prohibits this as it interferes with religious practices.
    Umm, wrong

    The Little Sisters do not have to provide coverage for contraception. Try reading the thread and the linked articles
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Morton View Post
    Apparently the language of the form requires insurance companies to pay for contraception. So, in effect, signing the form would violate their religious views.
    No, that is not what the form says. It merely says that they are a religious org that opposes contraception so it wont provide it, and it states when the coverage it does provide will begin.

    The employee can bring a copy of that form to the insurer to prove that they can't get coverage for contraception, etc through their employer, which the insurer requires before providing such limited coverage (at the employee's expense).

    If its true that the insurer in question is also exempted from the contraception part of Obamacare as the administration says, then why is the administration fighting the stay? Why not do nothing? The end result is the same. The're just being douche bags as usual.
    The admin is not fighting the stay. It's been issued and there's nothing they can do about that.

    It's the Little Sisters who are being douche bags.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Crazy talk. The government knows whats best. Don't be racist.

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    OR we could try this unique approach--let everyone choose the health care insurance that meets their specific needs and pay for it themselves. That sort of liberty seems to have become unconstitutional.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And what does that have to do with this thread?
    That's exactly what the thread is about.
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