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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And offering a few religious denominations special privileges under the law isn't a political agenda? Religious groups need to pay their damn taxes like the rest of us.
    That's hysterical. Half the nation pays no income taxes at all and different politically connected groups get presidential exemptions from this law and you have the nerve to say this. Pathetic. Hysterical, but pathetic.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yet, as I understand it, an employer doing the "forcing" (not really, since working for them is voluntary) is not unconstitutional, but the government doing any forcing IS unconstitutional.
    An employer doing it is not unconstitutional. It's just illegal. An employer being exempt from the law by virtue of allegiance to one religious group or another is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    and how is that related to this topic?
    I explained that too. Did you miss it as well?

    Compensation belongs to the employee and the employer. How I spend my money or use my insurance is up to me and not the employer.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    An employer doing it is not unconstitutional. It's just illegal. An employer being exempt from the law by virtue of allegiance to one religious group or another is unconstitutional.
    Then it appears to be a choice between: "Do we make a religion purchase insurance that provides contraception, which is counter to their beliefs"

    OR: "Do we give all religious institutions exemptions from this law."
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I explained that too. Did you miss it as well?

    Compensation belongs to the employee and the employer. How I spend my money or use my insurance is up to me and not the employer.
    Right but the employer has the right not to cover certain things if they don't want to. they are the ones that set the policy with the insurance company not the employee.
    by working and signing up for benefits you agree to whatever coverage they offer.

    There are businesses who's owners like hobby lobby have religious objections to contraceptives just like this nun organization and other religious institutions. the government forcing them to cover that is a direct violation of the constitution.

    since the Supreme court ruled earlier that corporations are considered people they get the same protections under the constitution as a person would which include religious freedom and practice of that religion.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then it appears to be a choice between: "Do we make a religion purchase insurance that provides contraception, which is counter to their beliefs"

    OR: "Do we give all religious institutions exemptions from this law."
    OR we could try this unique approach--let everyone choose the health care insurance that meets their specific needs and pay for it themselves. That sort of liberty seems to have become unconstitutional.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    I thought religious groups were already exempt from contraceptive and abortion coverage?

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then it appears to be a choice between: "Do we make a religion purchase insurance that provides contraception, which is counter to their beliefs"

    OR: "Do we give all religious institutions exemptions from this law."
    The law provides an exemption for the Little Sisters. All they have to do is fill out and sign a form.

    According to them, their religion doesn't allow them to fill out the form.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I explained that too. Did you miss it as well?

    Compensation belongs to the employee and the employer. How I spend my money or use my insurance is up to me and not the employer.
    Of course you should be able to use that insurance for whatever it covers. That has nothing to do with the government telling people what kind of insurance they can and can't buy.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That has nothing to do with the government telling people what kind of insurance they can and can't buy.
    And what does that have to do with this thread?
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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