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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Sounds like they are now committed to hearing the case. Laws with political agendas are always bad laws. Yet the lawmakers continue passing them. We need to give them more and longer vacations.
    And offering a few religious denominations special privileges under the law isn't a political agenda? Religious groups need to pay their damn taxes like the rest of us.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And offering a few religious denominations special privileges under the law isn't a political agenda? Religious groups need to pay their damn taxes like the rest of us.
    This isn't a question of taxes though...is it?
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    This isn't a question of taxes though...is it?
    Requiring them to pay for the insurance or face a penalty. The whole point of the supreme court decision about Obamacare was that it's a tax. I don't really care if it is one way or the other technically a tax. Religious groups shouldn't get out of compliance with the law.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Requiring them to pay for the insurance or face a penalty. The whole point of the supreme court decision about Obamacare was that it's a tax. I don't really care if it is one way or the other technically a tax. Religious groups shouldn't get out of compliance with the law.
    Then the law needs an exception that allows them to purchase insurance which does NOT provide contraception and such.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And offering a few religious denominations special privileges under the law isn't a political agenda?
    No. The Bill of Rights > statutory mandate to pay for anti- reproductive services.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. The Bill of Rights > statutory mandate to pay for anti- reproductive services.
    It's the Bill of Rights that says they shouldn't get special treatment.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's the Bill of Rights that says they shouldn't get special treatment.
    I don't think that's exactly what the BoR does regarding religions.

    Edit: Or, rather, it says the government cannot favor one religion over another,and cannot interfere with a religion (apart from laws that limit some practices).

    Depending on how you interpreted that last bit, maybe this could be considered constitutional...hmm

    Edit 2: Oh no, wiki-chain.

    But this is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't think that's exactly what the BoR does regarding religions.

    Edit: Or, rather, it says the government cannot favor one religion over another,and cannot interfere with a religion (apart from laws that limit some practices).

    Depending on how you interpreted that last bit, maybe this could be considered constitutional...hmm

    Edit 2: Oh no, wiki-chain.

    But this is interesting: Free Exercise Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Cannot favor one religion over another. That is, cannot make some religions (or non-religion) comply with a law while exempting some religions from it.

    And as to free exercise, did you even read your own link? The first case it brings up, Reynolds v US, literally says that your own religious obligations don't exempt you from the law. The whole page is a continuation of that philosophy.

    Let's be honest, if this were any group besides a Christian one, there wouldn't even be a case. Only one religion routinely gets this kind of special treatment at all in this country. Or did you notice that the cases about working on Saturday were about 7th day Adventists, not about Jews?
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Sounds like they are now committed to hearing the case. Laws with political agendas are always bad laws. Yet the lawmakers continue passing them. We need to give them more and longer vacations.
    Political agenda? Other than the fact everything is political, isn't this the case if whose rights are we talking about? The employer or the employee? This seems like the crux of the issue to me.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Cannot favor one religion over another. That is, cannot make some religions (or non-religion) comply with a law while exempting some religions from it.

    And as to free exercise, did you even read your own link? The first case it brings up, Reynolds v US, literally says that your own religious obligations don't exempt you from the law. The whole page is a continuation of that philosophy.

    Let's be honest, if this were any group besides a Christian one, there wouldn't even be a case. Only one religion routinely gets this kind of special treatment at all in this country. Or did you notice that the cases about working on Saturday were about 7th day Adventists, not about Jews?
    I'm not suggesting they be exempt from the law, just that they be exempt from having to purchase insurance that provides a service they disagree with religiously.

    Although I suppose that is partially exempt from the law.

    If this goes to court, it'll be interesting to see where the arguments go.
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