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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    as the cited article states this one particular group is part of 500 different groups enjoined in numerous suits. The 'waiver' offered by the government says the religious group doesn't have to provide contraception but their insurance company does. In this case...the government would still be forcing a religious organization to provide contraception (as the insurance provider is itself a religious based organization).
    So now you're going to claim that the insurance provider are nuns?

    Nuns do not have to pay for contraceptive coverage as you dishonestly claimed.

    Personally...I don't altogether care about the religious exemptions. My problem is with the government forcing people to get health care period, and forcing them to pay for coverage they don't and will never need.
    This thread is not about the individual mandate.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's a simple point. Truly simple. The employer doesn't get birth control; the employee does. It's not employer's business. Not the employer's concern. The discussion you entered into was about employers going against their beliefs.
    How does the employee get birth control covered if the policy that he has doesn't cover that?
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    How does the employee get birth control covered if the policy that he has doesn't cover that?
    They buy a policy, with their own money, that covers it
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    No. Bipartisan means that it was passed with a majority of both parties voting for it by my definition. There were no republican votes at all. Bad bill. The agenda is to secure more power and control for the federal government just like all partisan laws. That shouldn't be a mystery to anyone.
    Both parties seek to secure more power, which is why republicans didn't work with democrats. The people, or the few partisans who put on the most pressure, have created an environment where compromise is a dirty word.

    But, that doesn't mean real work stops. Reform us necessary. So, either play to your base, which democrats didn't and republicans did, or roll up your sleeves and try. Agenda or no.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    How does the employee get birth control covered if the policy that he has doesn't cover that?
    If the minimum requirement us that insure has it, just as we have a minimum wage. Minimal requirement.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If the minimum requirement us that insure has it, just as we have a minimum wage. Minimal requirement.
    Huh???

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Both parties seek to secure more power, which is why republicans didn't work with democrats. The people, or the few partisans who put on the most pressure, have created an environment where compromise is a dirty word.

    But, that doesn't mean real work stops. Reform us necessary. So, either play to your base, which democrats didn't and republicans did, or roll up your sleeves and try. Agenda or no.
    I disagree. I don't think having one party go after reform is useful. It all ends up as a partisan mess. If the country really needs something and will really benefit from it, then both parties should support it. Otherwise it isn't something we need or will benefit from. If the members of congress can't get past partisan greed for power then they need to be removed from office. Unfortunately Americans think congress is a dysfunctional mess and continue voting the cretins into office. We should have our collective heads examined. We could well have the worst government among all the democratic first world countries.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Huh???
    Both insurance and wage have minimal standards now. This is appropriate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I disagree. I don't think having one party go after reform is useful. It all ends up as a partisan mess. If the country really needs something and will really benefit from it, then both parties should support it. Otherwise it isn't something we need or will benefit from. If the members of congress can't get past partisan greed for power then they need to be removed from office. Unfortunately Americans think congress is a dysfunctional mess and continue voting the cretins into office. We should have our collective heads examined. We could well have the worst government among all the democratic first world countries.
    Useful or not you can't make the other side play, especially when the way to power (agenda) is to make sure there is failure.

    And yes, we have the power to remove from office, but mostly fail to exercise it. And our problem isn't the system as much as it us.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So now you're going to claim that the insurance provider are nuns?

    Nuns do not have to pay for contraceptive coverage as you dishonestly claimed.



    This thread is not about the individual mandate.
    The private insurers in this case are not the nuns...but they are a religious based organization. It is the nuns contention that for them to request a waiver it merely forces someone else to take on what they believe to be a sin. You wont steal as long as you can make the next guy steal for you...that sort of thing.

    but mostly...a lot of folk just resent being forced to pay for coverage they dont want or need. Funnily enough...even a lot of the initial supporters of the ACA would rather pay a fine than have to sign up for it.

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