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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's too late. The right wingers have got the phrase "Nuns have to pay for contraceptive coverage" and now there's no way to get it out of their head no matter how untrue it is



    See what I mean?
    So there ISNT a challenge in fed court and the SCOTUS has NOT issued a stay?

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    A SCOTUS stay is a pretty solid indicator that regardless the finding at the fed court level it is headed to the Supreme Court. That they are willing to issue a stay is a pretty good indicator they think there is something deserving attention.
    Still demonstrating how you don't understand what you're talking about

    The case is not "headed to the Supreme Court"; It's already there.

    But that doesn't mean that they will hear the case. They may accept the accept the govt's response, lift the stay, and never let the case get a hearing.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So there ISNT a challenge in fed court and the SCOTUS has NOT issued a stay?
    The challenge has nothing to do with "nuns have to pay for contraceptive coverage"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    A SCOTUS stay is a pretty solid indicator that regardless the finding at the fed court level it is headed to the Supreme Court. That they are willing to issue a stay is a pretty good indicator they think there is something deserving attention.
    As I've said many times, yes , it likely will (full SCOTUS), or it could be enjoined with other suits that we know are pending. It still makes no commentary on the merits of the case.

    The hurdle the nuns have to overcome is trying to explain how filing out a one page piece of paper, which affirms their religious faith, and self-certifies them as being exempt, a provision these non-profits requested I might add -- how filing out the form is considered an undue burden.

    The plaintiffs here are really a poor one for the cause, because no matter what - neither the nuns or their Insurance Trust (Christian Brothers) are required to provide birth control coverage for their employees.

    It's about the paperwork. It.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

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    As I've said many times, yes , it likely will, or it could be enjoined with other suits that we know are pending. It still makes no commentary on the merits of the case.

    The hurdle the nuns have to overcome is trying to explain how filing out a one page piece of paper, which affirms their religious faith, and self-certifies them as being exempt, a provision these non-profits requested I might add -- how filing out the form is considered an undue burden.

    The plaintiffs here are really a poor one for the cause, because no matter what - neither the nuns or their Insurance Trust (Christian Brothers) are required to provide birth control coverage for their employees.

    It's about the paperwork. It.
    by the time something gets to the SCOTUS there have been lower level challenges. As the politico article stated there are NUMEROUS challenges to the contraceptive requirements law. The court has already agreed to take two separate challenges to the contraceptive requirement, but they involve religious owners of for-profit businesses, not religious nonprofits like this Denver nursing home. Dozens of religious-affiliated groups, dissatisfied with the Obama administrationís attempts to address their concerns, have petitioned federal courts to eliminate the requirement.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2pdSbBGPK

    Nuns...pastors...religious charitable organizations. There are numerous people being mandated to carry insurance they simply don't want or need but have been forced into. The lawsuits and legal challenges have only just begun.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's too late. The right wingers have got the phrase "Nuns have to pay for contraceptive coverage" and now there's no way to get it out of their head no matter how untrue it is



    See what I mean?
    It makes for red-meat sound bites though, which is likely why the Becket Fund chose the nuns. Obama sticks it to Nuns! Poor Little Sisters victims of the angry jagged-toothed abomination of Obamacare!...just a few minutes ago, I read this one:

    "We are witnessing a modern-day version of King Darius ordering that Daniel be thrown into the lion's den for refusing to deny his faith. "

    Yeesh.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    by the time something gets to the SCOTUS there have been lower level challenges. As the politico article stated there are NUMEROUS challenges to the contraceptive requirements law. The court has already agreed to take two separate challenges to the contraceptive requirement, but they involve religious owners of for-profit businesses, not religious nonprofits like this Denver nursing home. Dozens of religious-affiliated groups, dissatisfied with the Obama administration’s attempts to address their concerns, have petitioned federal courts to eliminate the requirement.

    Read more: Sonia Sotomayor faces health law contraception decision - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

    Nuns...pastors...religious charitable organizations. There are numerous people being mandated to carry insurance they simply don't want or need but have been forced into. The lawsuits and legal challenges have only just begun.
    I'm quite familiar with the case, all the briefs in it, the 10th Circuit opinion, the Orders and responses, long before you came along and started telling us what you don't know.

    For now the 11th time (man, this gets old) Nuns...pastors...religious charitable organizations - are NOT being forced into providing BC.

    A provision was made for these religious non-profits to avoid it. It's called self-certification and involves filing out a form.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I'm quite familiar with the case, all the briefs in it, the 10th Circuit opinion, the Orders and responses, long before you came along and started telling us what you don't know.

    For now the 11th time (man, this gets old) Nuns...pastors...religious charitable organizations - are NOT being forced into providing BC.

    A provision was made for these religious non-profits to avoid it. It's called self-certification and involves filing out a form.
    and THATS why there is NOT a case in the federal courts and one that the SCOTUS has issued a stay for.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nuns...pastors...religious charitable organizations. There are numerous people being mandated to carry insurance they simply don't want or need but have been forced into. The lawsuits and legal challenges have only just begun.
    None of those groups are mandated to cover contraception. From the article you linked to and quoted from

    “Applicants have no legal basis to … complain that it involves them in the process of providing contraceptive coverage,” government lawyers wrote to the court.“This case involves a church plan that is exempt from regulation” under a 1974 labor law that predates the president’s health care law.

    The Little Sisters, in their reply to the government’s brief on Friday afternoon, said that signing a piece of paper allowing contraception — even if it doesn’t result in contraception being handed out —is itself a violation of their religious protections. That certification is part of the current legal process for religious non-profits that object to providing the contraception.


    Read more: Sonia Sotomayor faces health law contraception decision - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com
    Your claim that "nuns are required to pay for contraception coverage" is nothing but a lie
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those groups are mandated to cover contraception. From the article you linked to and quoted from



    Your claim that "nuns are required to pay for contraception coverage" is nothing but a lie
    as the cited article states this one particular group is part of 500 different groups enjoined in numerous suits. The 'waiver' offered by the government says the religious group doesn't have to provide contraception but their insurance company does. In this case...the government would still be forcing a religious organization to provide contraception (as the insurance provider is itself a religious based organization).

    Personally...I don't altogether care about the religious exemptions. My problem is with the government forcing people to get health care period, and forcing them to pay for coverage they don't and will never need.

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