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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sure people will someday realize what is actually in the law...after they have read the law.

    Its kinda funny to hear the continuing rhetoric. Its not a tax! Its not going to raise taxes at all. Wait...the only way it receives SCOTUS approval is as a tax? Well...that seems fair after all...I mean...everyone has to pay taxes. Thats almost as funny as the people that loudly and proudly proclaimed support for passage now saying theres no way in hell they will get the coverage, they would rather pay the fine...to not get the coverage they were so anxious to have passed. Some people have gone from seconds to thirds on that **** sandwich...just to show how much they REALLY love it.
    I heard on the news around the first of the year that around 50 new Obamacare taxes have taken effect. I am unsure of the number as I can't remember the exact number of new taxes Obamacare has brought on us. People will not notice them this year, but will next year when they do their 2014 taxes. The support for and against Obamacare has remained fairly constant since it was first passed. 39% for 53% again back in March of 2010 and today it is 38% for and 53% against.

    Did you know that having insurance is mandatory, but that the government is going to tax the insurance also. In other words, the government is making you buy something so they can tax it. Huh
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    No, the crux of the issue is Obamacare. While you can view everything as political if you like, in my experience partisan laws are usually bad laws and bipartisan laws seem to be good laws. That's the political agenda to which I refer.
    What would be bipartisan? Certain this legislation includes republican ideas. And republicans (yes, democrats have the same mindset) set out not to help, but to block. So the agenda is what? To get the job done? To start the work?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No point in me reposting what I already have. Though I don't know what the point is about the employee owning the insurance once he receives it. All he can do is use it, he can't change it. If he receives $1000 in pay, he can't change the paycheck to $10k if he wants.
    It's a simple point. Truly simple. The employer doesn't get birth control; the employee does. It's not employer's business. Not the employer's concern. The discussion you entered into was about employers going against their beliefs.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Well shoot, if being certain religions means getting exempt from Obamacare, im off to church everybody.
    Well if Obama care were not a socialist program of wealth redistribution there would not be an issue.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What would be bipartisan? Certain this legislation includes republican ideas. And republicans (yes, democrats have the same mindset) set out not to help, but to block. So the agenda is what? To get the job done? To start the work?
    No. Bipartisan means that it was passed with a majority of both parties voting for it by my definition. There were no republican votes at all. Bad bill. The agenda is to secure more power and control for the federal government just like all partisan laws. That shouldn't be a mystery to anyone.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Requiring nuns to pay for contraceptive insurance. Thats funny.
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    For the tenth time - the nuns are not required to pay for contraceptive insurance, nor is their insurance trust (they are self-insured), nor are they mandated to provide it for their employees (many of which are lay people).

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    For the tenth time - the nuns are not required to pay for contraceptive insurance, nor is their insurance trust (they are self-insured), nor are they mandated to provide it for their employees (many of which are lay people).
    Oh good...you just think Justice Sotomayor agreed for the SCOTUS to hear the case because she is a dumbass and doesnt understand the case or law.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh good...you just think Justice Sotomayor agreed for the SCOTUS to hear the case because she is a dumbass and doesnt understand the case or law.
    You appear to not understand this issue. Why the smarmy non sequitur when poverty of knowledge on the matter rests with you?

    Sotomayor has not "agreed for the SCOTUS to hear the case." She issued a temporary injunction when requested by the plaintiffs. The injunction does not speak to the merits of the case. In her order, she required the government to respond to the stay by 10AM Friday. On 10AM last Friday, the Solicitor General responded.

    No one knows at this point what decision she will make. She may (and likely will) bring it before the full court, but at this point, we are all waiting for her response.

    I again repeat, the temporary injunction does not speak to the merits of the case.

    Last night I posted this which might provide some insight on the technicalities of granting a stay: http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamac...post1062757684

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    You appear to not understand this issue. Why the smarmy non sequitur when poverty of knowledge on the matter rests with you?

    Sotomayor has not "agreed for the SCOTUS to hear the case." She issued a temporary injunction when requested by the plaintiffs. The injunction does not speak to the merits of the case. In her order, she required the government to respond to the stay by 10AM Friday. On 10AM last Friday, the Solicitor General responded.

    No one knows at this point what decision she will make. She may (and likely will) bring it before the full court, but at this point, we are all waiting for her response.

    I again repeat, the temporary injunction does not speak to the merits of the case.

    Last night I posted this which might provide some insight on the technicalities of granting a stay: http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamac...post1062757684
    A SCOTUS stay is a pretty solid indicator that regardless the finding at the fed court level it is headed to the Supreme Court. That they are willing to issue a stay is a pretty good indicator they think there is something deserving attention.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    For the tenth time - the nuns are not required to pay for contraceptive insurance, nor is their insurance trust (they are self-insured), nor are they mandated to provide it for their employees (many of which are lay people).
    It's too late. The right wingers have got the phrase "Nuns have to pay for contraceptive coverage" and now there's no way to get it out of their head no matter how untrue it is

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh good...you just think Justice Sotomayor agreed for the SCOTUS to hear the case because she is a dumbass and doesnt understand the case or law.
    See what I mean?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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