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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Decreased insurance choices =/= increased protection of rights.
    And making Ponzi schemes illegal decreased our freedom (the freedom to be scammed by criminals)
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And making Ponzi schemes illegal decreased our freedom (the freedom to be scammed by criminals)
    I'm not an anarchist. I want laws that protect freedom, but this isn't an example of that. This mandate makes something illegal without protecting anyone's rights.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When it's mine to use. When they pay me a salary, the money is mine and not theirs. When they provide insurance as part if MY compensation it is mine and not THEIRS. It is my right to use want us mine as I see fit.
    You seem to be mixing apples and oranges here. They offer you compensation; you either negotiate and accept, or decline. It's not yours yet. You can only ask for certain compensation, they are not obliged to give you what you are asking for. It is only yours after both parties have agreed. Before that, you have nothing, no rights, no compensation... nothing. You can't unilaterally alter the agreement after the fact.

    But if that can be done, let us know, I'd like to change the terms of my mortgage. I mean, if healthcare is a "right", then of course housing is too.

    You skipped right over the entire concept of a free market. We still have that, don't we? I know Obama is working hard to get rid of it, but it is still clinging to life.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You might want to look up the definition of that. I'm not sure you understand it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Decreased insurance choices =/= increased protection of rights.
    Didn't say that either. Look up strawman yet?

    Read it again and see if you understand it better.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You seem to be mixing apples and oranges here. They offer you compensation; you either negotiate and accept, or decline. It's not yours yet. You can only ask for certain compensation, they are not obliged to give you what you are asking for. It is only yours after both parties have agreed. Before that, you have nothing, no rights, no compensation... nothing. You can't unilaterally alter the agreement after the fact.

    But if that can be done, let us know, I'd like to change the terms of my mortgage. I mean, if healthcare is a "right", then of course housing is too.

    You skipped right over the entire concept of a free market. We still have that, don't we? I know Obama is working hard to get rid of it, but it is still clinging to life.
    No I don't think I'm mixing anything up. What they offer is insurance. Nearly all business call it compensation. They rarely if ever negotiate specifics of the policy. It's usually the same across the board, often a general policy that has no political concerns.

    Your side has politicized it. My contention is that like salary, it is not the employers business how the employee uses the insurance. When you hand the the employee a salary, and the employee spends that money on say an abortion, it can just as easily be said the employer is paying fir the abortion. Both insurance and salary are compensation. The money for both comes from the employer. There's no logic for the employer controlling the use of either.

    And yes, agreements are often altered after hire. There are circumstances that often bring about change to the agreement.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Can't wait for the pope to come out with a comment on how stupid this fight is for the church and just blow these nuns' suit out of the water.
    Heh...

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You might want to look up the definition of that. I'm not sure you understand it.
    When there's two people on an elevator, and one of them farts, everyone knows who did it, but some people deny it anyway.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I'm not an anarchist. I want laws that protect freedom, but this isn't an example of that. This mandate makes something illegal without protecting anyone's rights.
    It protects everyone's rights
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It protects everyone's rights
    not yours, not mine, or anyone elses

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