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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is exactly it. The people that fought and died for this country are rolling in their grave because of all the garbage the the government that they built has upended everything they fought for.

    What is sad is that there are people out there that actually push for more of it.
    The problem, as I see it, is that if something is "important" that now makes it a federal issue/power. A prime example is eduction - it is clearly not a federal power but, since it is "important", it is now the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The Little Sisters are not required to cover contraception. Please stop lying about that
    PPACA now regulates all private medical care insurance policies and requires that they cover contraception at no additional "out of pocket" cost. Where, exactly, are the Little Sisters, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to find a "non-PPACA compliant" medical care insurance policy to buy? It would appear that one must either buy a PPACA compliant policy or self insure. Saying that one may "get a waiver" to buy something that is not offered for sale is hardly a solution.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    PPACA now regulates all private medical care insurance policies and requires that they cover contraception at no additional "out of pocket" cost. Where, exactly, are the Little Sisters, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to find a "non-PPACA compliant" medical care insurance policy to buy? It would appear that one must either buy a PPACA compliant policy or self insure. Saying that one may "get a waiver" to buy something that is not offered for sale is hardly a solution.
    ACA does not require that all insurance plans cover contraception. They have an insurer who is offering a plan that doesn't cover contraception.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Both have to meet government standards and none should allow the employer to dictate use of the compensation.
    Letting an employer compensate her employees with an insurance policy that doesn't cover contraception = dictating use of the compensation? If that was true, anything else that the policy didn't cover (anything at all), would be an example of dictating use of the compensation.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    ACA does not require that all insurance plans cover contraception. They have an insurer who is offering a plan that doesn't cover contraception.
    Are you kidding me? Show me any medical care insurance plan, currently for sale, that does not cover contraception.

    http://www.nwlc.org/resource/contrac...sked-questions
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any they want to that meets the standards. We do this with all kinds if products and services. And it is right to do so in most cases. But there are plenty if choices.
    You're going off on a tangent here. I'm not saying that there should no government mandates regarding vehicle safety and emissions, but to suggest that those mandates increase the consumers' freedom of choice is laughable. You may as well say that prisons are the freest places.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? Show me any medical care insurance plan, currently for sale, that does not cover contraception.

    Contraceptive Coverage in the Health Care Law: Frequently Asked Questions | National Women's Law Center

    Christian Brothers Employee Trust (the ones that provide insurance coverage to the Little Sisters of the Poor). They are considered a Church Plan and not required to offer contraception

    http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content...Opp-13A691.pdf


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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Christian Brothers Employee Trust (the ones that provide insurance coverage to the Little Sisters of the Poor). They are considered a Church Plan and not required to offer contraception

    http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content...Opp-13A691.pdf


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    A self-insured church plan is not currently for sale. Try again.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? Show me any medical care insurance plan, currently for sale, that does not cover contraception.

    Contraceptive Coverage in the Health Care Law: Frequently Asked Questions | National Women's Law Center
    The one the Little Sister's insurance carrier is providing.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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