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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The employer is an individual too.

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    No they are not. They are a business and participating in public business activities.

    Individual rights can only be upheld by allowing the individuals involved to come to a voluntary agreement as to the terms under which one will be employed by the other. There is no justification for government sticking its nose into such a negotiation, dictating in a once-sided manner to one individual what concessions that individual must make to the other.
    And obviously you want the law to be on the side of the business organization in regards to individual rights.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Controlling how the employee uses insurance is really no different than controlling how they spend their cash.
    There are many different insurance policies out there and employers get to choose which ones to provide to their employees. Even with the mandates, that's still true. That's much different from telling them how to spend their cash.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    when they government says a car must meet certain standards, are they telling them what car they can buy?
    Obviously they're telling the people what cars they can't buy, which narrows down the ones that they can buy.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Government is screwing it up by siding with the individual rights?
    They're siding against individual rights. What we're allowed to buy is being reduced. Giving someone insurance that doesn't cover contraception, doesn't prevent anyone from getting contraception. That's a strawman.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    I am completely against Obamacare. Not because It's a bad concept, its just run by the government. Base on the governments record of running public programs (post office, social security), I know it will ultimatly be a failure. However, I also can't stand the ignorance from the religious. We are living in a society increasingly absent of parents. Which increases the likelyhood of bad decisions by inexpirienced teens. If Obamacare is law, then birth control should be covered to give our teens a backup plan to at least mitigate their irresponsible life choices.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I am completely against Obamacare. Not because It's a bad concept, its just run by the government. Base on the governments record of running public programs (post office, social security), I know it will ultimatly be a failure. However, I also can't stand the ignorance from the religious. We are living in a society increasingly absent of parents. Which increases the likelyhood of bad decisions by inexpirienced teens. If Obamacare is law, then birth control should be covered to give our teens a backup plan to at least mitigate their irresponsible life choices.
    Will teens be more likely to buy condoms just because they can get reimbursed by their insurance, even when it raises the premiums?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    They're siding against individual rights. What we're allowed to buy is being reduced. Giving someone insurance that doesn't cover contraception, doesn't prevent anyone from getting contraception. That's a strawman.
    Right it is just that the mandate to cover contraception is a violation of the first amendment. the government is having to file tons of exception notifications and everything else on every single person. just in that case it should be struck down as there is no way to administer the actual exceptions.

    there is the flip side to this which is what hobby lobby is contesting and they have grounds to do it.

    Citizens United pretty much summed up the whole hobby lobby case.

    The United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit ruled that Hobby Lobby, as a corporation, was a person under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993

    there was also that. in which the fed's appealed so it is going before the supreme court. however since they have given corporations protection under the first amendment see citizens united they can't just pick and choose which parts they are protected from.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Will teens be more likely to buy condoms just because they can get reimbursed by their insurance, even when it raises the premiums?
    Condoms should be readily available for free for teens at schools, farmacies... hell.. any store they can be found. We ID for alcohol. Why not enact a law that allows retailers to distribute a limited quantity of condoms to anyone between the ages of 13-18 years old free access to condoms. They can simply be paid for by the government health insurence.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Right it is just that the mandate to cover contraception is a violation of the first amendment.
    The Little Sisters are not required to cover contraception. Please stop lying about that
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    An employer doing it is not unconstitutional. It's just illegal. An employer being exempt from the law by virtue of allegiance to one religious group or another is unconstitutional.
    Didn't know the 1st amendment was unconstitutional.

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