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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Government only gave the option. It is up to the individual whether or not they take the pill and conform to their employers dictate
    Government gave nothing.

    This should be entirely up to the individuals involved. It should be between an employer and an employee to negotiate the terms of that employment, and of compensation therefore, and if that compensation is to involve health insurance, then it should be between the employee, the employer, and the health insurance provider to negotiate the details of what that insurance will or will not cover.

    There is nowhere in this transaction that government has any business being involved.

    We have here a conflict that exists only because government has stuck its nose where it has no business sticking it. Without government's completely-unwarranted interference, there would be no conflict between an employee's “right” to “free” birth control, and an employer's right not to pay for what that employer considers to be immoral.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Government gave nothing.

    This should be entirely up to the individuals involved. It should be between an employer and an employee to negotiate the terms of that employment, and of compensation therefore, and if that compensation is to involve health insurance, then it should be between the employee, the employer, and the health insurance provider to negotiate the details of what that insurance will or will not cover.

    There is nowhere in this transaction that government has any business being involved.

    We have here a conflict that exists only because government has stuck its nose where it has no business sticking it. Without government's completely-unwarranted interference, there would be no conflict between an employee's “right” to “free” birth control, and an employer's right not to pay for what that employer considers to be immoral.
    Great so an employee of the Jehovah Witness's can be denied a blood transfusion under insurance just because that is what the church believes. Bob it is up to the individual not the church.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Great so an employee of the Jehovah Witness's can be denied a blood transfusion under insurance just because that is what the church believes. Bob it is up to the individual not the church.
    Or he can choose to work for a different employer.

    Or he can negotiate an employment contract in which the employer isn't responsible for his health insurance at all, and instead increases his pay by the amount that the employer would otherwise spend on insurance, and which the employee could then use to buy his own insurance without there being any possible conflict with the employer's beliefs.

    There are probably any number of other possible arrangements that could be made, that would satisfy the needs, wants, and moral/religious beliefs of all involved.

    But government has intervened in such a manner as to make all these other more reasonable alternatives illegal, to the detriment of all involved.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Government gave nothing.

    This should be entirely up to the individuals involved. It should be between an employer and an employee to negotiate the terms of that employment, and of compensation therefore, and if that compensation is to involve health insurance, then it should be between the employee, the employer, and the health insurance provider to negotiate the details of what that insurance will or will not cover.

    There is nowhere in this transaction that government has any business being involved.
    We tried that and people screwed it up. They ran up the medical costs for everyone to the point where it threatens our financial security.

    The market failed. Get over it
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Great so an employee of the Jehovah Witness's can be denied a blood transfusion under insurance just because that is what the church believes. Bob it is up to the individual not the church.


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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We tried that and people screwed it up. They ran up the medical costs for everyone to the point where it threatens our financial security.
    So the solution is to let government screw it up even more?
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So the solution is to let government screw it up even more?
    The Little Sisters do not have to provide coverage for contraception to their employees.

    They need to grow up and get over their little tantrum
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Can't wait for the pope to come out with a comment on how stupid this fight is for the church and just blow these nuns' suit out of the water.
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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So the solution is to let government screw it up even more?
    Government is screwing it up by siding with the individual rights?

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    Re: Justice Blocks Contraception Mandate on Insurance in Suit by Nuns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Or he can choose to work for a different employer.

    Or he can negotiate an employment contract in which the employer isn't responsible for his health insurance at all, and instead increases his pay by the amount that the employer would otherwise spend on insurance, and which the employee could then use to buy his own insurance without there being any possible conflict with the employer's beliefs.

    There are probably any number of other possible arrangements that could be made, that would satisfy the needs, wants, and moral/religious beliefs of all involved.

    But government has intervened in such a manner as to make all these other more reasonable alternatives illegal, to the detriment of all involved.
    You are living in a dream land here

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