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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

zgoldsmith23 said:
Why don't you try and convince someone that matters? Someone that reward you with a Nobel Prize? Someone that can analyze your results and evidence. Or is this more claptrap and internet "toughness?"
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I'm very smart, but I'm not Nobel Prize smart. Then again, neither is anyone else around here, so we can all be second fiddle together.
 
Cardinal said:
No I didn't. I asked for you to define evolution, which you are clearly unable to do.



No you haven't, because first you'd have to know what evolution is.
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Unwilling, not unable. And you're questioning my knowledge of evolution, so I ask you again, what are your credentials?
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'm very smart, but I'm not Nobel Prize smart. Then again, neither is anyone else around here, so we can all be second fiddle together.
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Speak for yourself. And nice deflection. How about you actually address the post? Like I said, present your experiments, results, and evidence. Or more claptrap?
 
Peter Grimm said:
Unwilling, not unable. And you're questioning my knowledge of evolution, so I ask you again, what are your credentials?
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I'm a master debater and a cunning linguist. So what is evolution? Teach me, oh great one.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I'm very smart, but I'm not Nobel Prize smart.
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Nobel prize winners worldwide are relieved I'm sure by the absence of one more scholar who might compete with them.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Speak for yourself. And nice deflection. How about you actually address the post? Like I said, present your experiments, results, and evidence. Or more claptrap?
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You've won a Nobel Prize?

You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You've won a Nobel Prize?

You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
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If you knew what evolution was that complexity wouldn't be a problem for you. But of course that would require Wikipedia and ten minutes of your time, and well, ****, who has time for that?
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

Deuce said:
But this is just further evidence of how stubbornly ignorant the young earth creationist crowd is. (I should clarify that my criticism is aimed solely at them, the ones with that 6000 year number) The bible doesn't actually say the age of the earth, some human calculated that. And did so very, very wrong. But we have a group of people unable to see that their assumptions aren't based on divine truth, but rather a flawed human perception. It doesn't occur to them that there's a possibility of their belief being wrong.

Thing is, your dad is wrong too. And isn't curious. It is possible to know the age of the earth within a pretty decent margin. Assuming there is no answer to a question is just as bad as never asking the question in the first place. "We can't know the answer to this" is an inherently blind notion.

Yes, public school is a mess in some places, but at least it's not teaching people information that is provably false. And really, the problem is mostly public schools in non-wealthy neighborhoods. The upper middle class suburb high schools do a lot better. Poor performance of schools doesn't make the influence of religious fundamentalists any less damaging,
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Actually "we can't know the answer to this" is quite a bit smarter than presuming to know and then being proved wrong when new data come in.
 
Cardinal said:
If you knew what evolution was that complexity wouldn't be a problem for you. But of course that would require Wikipedia and ten minutes of your time, and well, ****, who has time for that?
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You've won a Nobel Prize?

You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You've won a Nobel Prize?

You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
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I've won, like, lots of Nobel Prizes.

You arguing against evolution would be like me debating the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and not being able to find the Middle East on a map. Seriously, that is precisely how embarrassing your position in this thread is.
 
Cardinal said:
I've won, like, lots of Nobel Prizes.

You arguing against evolution would be like me debating the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and not being able to find the Middle East on a map. Seriously, that is precisely how embarrassing your position in this thread is.
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You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
 
Gardener said:
Are you absolutely certain you have that many?
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Man, what is with all the personal attacks on this thread? Are you guys really this afraid to actually debate the issue of evolution?

Fair warning: I've been reporting each personal attack to the mods. You're welcome for letting you know.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Man, what is with all the personal attacks on this thread? Are you guys really this afraid to actually debate the issue of evolution?

Fair warning: I've been reporting each personal attack to the mods. You're welcome for letting you know.
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I'm sorry if you feel this is a personal attack, but that debate question is one of the funniest things I have read this month. How does anyone debate another person who says, "I believe" and then gives nothing . . . and I mean absolutely nothing, to back up the belief. Too funny.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You've won a Nobel Prize?

You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
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Why could that not have evolved? Is it just an assumption you're making that the aggregated "complexity" couldn't be naturally derived?
 
Peter Grimm said:
You've won a Nobel Prize?

You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
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Peter Grimm said:
Man, what is with all the personal attacks on this thread? Are you guys really this afraid to actually debate the issue of evolution?

Fair warning: I've been reporting each personal attack to the mods. You're welcome for letting you know.
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That is so cool, Peter.

Do you also report spam by any chance? ;)
 
Ikari said:
Why could that not have evolved? Is it just an assumption you're making that the aggregated "complexity" couldn't be naturally derived?
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I can't eliminate the possibility, but I find it improbable. It's not just that there are 90 billion neurons, it's that they need to be arranged in an exact pattern.

And then there's the genetic code. The human genome itself has 3.3 billion base-pairs. And again, it needs to be in an exact sequence - it's like a computer language - one gene out of whack and you end up with a third eyeball.

I have yet to see a process by which random mutations can occur that lead to such astounding levels of complexity. Natural selection is not enough.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I can't eliminate the possibility, but I find it improbable.
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Which is interesting, as between nature and magic, I find magic to be highly improbable. Oh well, each to their own.
 
Ikari said:
Which is interesting, as between nature and magic, I find magic to be highly improbable. Oh well, each to their own.
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Hang on there... it is possible to find naturalistic explanations for the origin of life that aren't evolution without a creator or religion.

Panspermia, for example, is a better theory in my view. Silly as it sounds, the universe is a big place.... who knows what's out there.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Hang on there... it is possible to find naturalistic explanations for the origin of life that aren't evolution without a creator or religion.

Panspermia, for example, is a better theory in my view. Silly as it sounds, the universe is a big place.... who knows what's out there.
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Who knows indeed, yet evolution is a scientific theory and one which best explains the observables to date. If you can do a better job, then by all means start writing some peer reviewed articles.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I can't eliminate the possibility, but I find it improbable. It's not just that there are 90 billion neurons, it's that they need to be arranged in an exact pattern.

And then there's the genetic code. The human genome itself has 3.3 billion base-pairs. And again, it needs to be in an exact sequence - it's like a computer language - one gene out of whack and you end up with a third eyeball.

I have yet to see a process by which random mutations can occur that lead to such astounding levels of complexity. Natural selection is not enough.
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I see how this works.

If YOU can't understand something, if it's too complex for YOU, it must be bogus.
 
Ikari said:
Who knows indeed, yet evolution is a scientific theory and one which best explains the observables to date. If you can do a better job, then by all means start writing some peer reviewed articles.
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At the end of the day, if I really sat down and worked on it, I could probably come up with a way to mathematically show that life on earth, let alone complex life, is highly improbable. In fact, it's nearly impossible.

But in the end, even that wouldn't prove a thing - in fact I think most smart people would agree with it. We may well be the only intelligent creatures in the universe.

Perhaps the odds of intelligent life forming are 1 in several billion (which is why I don't like evolution inherently), but perhaps this is the one place where that 1 in several billion just happened to take place.

So in other words - I don't believe in evolution because the evolution of complex life is improbable. However, just being improbable doesn't mean it's proven false.
 
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