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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

Lursa said:
We have a species of lizard here in my state that evolved from one species to 2 in much the same way.....the Northern and Southern Alligator Lizard. The southern species lays eggs, the northern species gives live birth. WHich in reptiles means that they retain the eggs internally to incubate them, rather than laying them and having them hatch in a nest. The internal eggs benefit from a warmer more consistent incubation temperature and thus have a greater chance of hatching in cooler regions.

This required a change in genetic coding for the lizards...one which became more and more prevalent in the northern race as those were more suited to reproducing successfully in the colder area.

The overall development of that separate species would have taken hundreds, if not thousands of years...and it would not have been 'visible' to anyone around to observe.
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Forget it. They can shoehorn any change into just "adaptation," which for some reason doesn't count as evolution. Even observed speciation doesn't matter.
 
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shrubnose said:
Are you saying that God is not omnipotent?

An omnipotent God would not need to use the process of evolution. He could just create perfect beings from the beginning.
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What fun would that be?
 
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Grand Mal said:
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
-PT Barnum-
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a quote from a guy who spent his life conning people for $'s.
 
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Lursa said:
Who would knowingly appear that ignorant on purpose?
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I really don't think people pay attention to topic as much as they pay attention to association... especially with regards to politics.
 
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poweRob said:
I really don't think people pay attention to topic as much as they pay attention to association... especially with regards to politics.
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It's like sports teams in that sense: a totally "us vs them" tribal mentality for many. Hell, just look at all the stupid **** people defend or attack based on it's political association just on here
 
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Peter King said:
I wish it were so, a Gallup Poll from last year asked 1,024 people the following question:

"Which of the following statements comes closest to your views on the origin and development of human beings? (1) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process. (2) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process. (3) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."

32% said evolution but guided by god

15% said evolution but no guidance from god

46% believed that God created us in our present form within the last 10,000 years or so.

Science and Nature
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So...500 people.

Lol.
 
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j-mac said:
Well then, how do you know that intelligent design doesn't account for something?
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I was never talking of intelligent design, this is about evolution. Science does not and cannot discount or verify the gods by virtue of our definitions of our gods. So I don't know what you really want here. It has nothing to do with the measured system of evolution.
 
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j-mac said:
Then why are there still primates?
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Primates are successful organisms, why would we think they wouldn't rise to fill niches?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
again, a more intelligent person would have the ability to consider what the taliban does goes further than moaning about the war on christmas and what color santa is. But we both know the political type your represent and it isn't the kind that respects actual data or logic. You're more about mindles braying and vilification, like the very individuals you constantly decry.



You mean individuals the taliban would simply kill in some gruesome manner? The fact that you're so invested to trivializing such things is disgusting and a better man would feel shame at having to reflect on such things.
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There's a reason we all call them the "American" Taliban. They are more McDonalds French Fries than someone in a head-cover frying up falafel over a camp fire. However, like I said, the differences are only a matter of degrees.
 
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calamity said:
There's a reason we all call them the "American" Taliban. They are more McDonalds French Fries than someone in a head-cover frying up falafel over a camp fire.
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What does that even mean?

However, like I said, the differences are only a matter of degrees.
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The degree of difference betwen killing someone and just not wanting them entering into a legal marriage contract is rather substantial and is the reason why, despite recent issues with gay marriage, homosexuals will risk everything trying to escape from these societies to countries that explicitly outlaw gay marriage.

Why anyone would play that down on a continuous basis is beyond my comprehension, but it's rather disgusting and just highlights the type of individual you are.
 
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j-mac said:
:doh Telling that the three articles you post,

Article one, a link to a book written by arguably one of the worst, bomb throwing leftists in America, founder of DailyKOS

Article two, from a source that declares itself, "real liberal politics" ie; far left screed.

Article three from a borderline socialist site 'forwardprogressive'

Yet somehow, along with your extremist language, you claim yourself a 'centrist'? Now that is funny.
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There are four articles posted. You skipped one.

Ann Coulter:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

Bailey Smith:
"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Beverly LaHaye:
"Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."

David Barton:
"There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America."

And Many More Here: The American Taliban
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By the way, can you point out and prove to us where Markos Moulitsas throws bombs.

However, Markos does show in his book where Rush said he and his Dittoheads agree with the Taliban.
“We all agree with the Taliban.”—Rush Limbaugh, October 9, 2009
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So, even Rush agrees that the Right is the American Taliban. :lamo
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
What does that even mean?



The degree of difference betwen killing someone and just not wanting them entering into a legal marriage contract is rather substantial and is the reason why, despite recent issues with gay marriage, homosexuals will risk everything trying to escape from these societies to countries that explicitly outlaw gay marriage.

Why anyone would play that down on a continuous basis is beyond my comprehension, but it's rather disgusting and just highlights the type of individual you are.
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If the Right could get away with stoning homosexuals, we all know they would. Hell, there's a huge contingent which encourages violence at abortion clinics--some have even justified the act of murdering Dr Tiller, here in this forum-- and almost none on the Far Right denounce it.
 
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Ikari said:
Primates are successful organisms, why would we think they wouldn't rise to fill niches?
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*sigh*

He believes that evolution means one organism 'turns into' another.

Our schools truly have failed, to see the prevalence of so much misunderstanding.
 
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calamity said:
There are four articles posted. You skipped one.



By the way, can you point out and prove to us where Markos Moulitsas throws bombs.

However, Markos does show in his book where Rush said he and his Dittoheads agree with the Taliban.


So, even Rush agrees that the Right is the American Taliban. :lamo
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Lord that is depressing! (all the quotes you posted in 387)

And I'm a practicing Christian.
 
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Lursa said:
We're supposed to be made in the image of God so any implication that we came from monkeys is very offensive to some Christians.
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Oh, I definitely understand. And, sad as it is, sometimes facts are quite unpleasant. But, that doesn't change them any. It's usually best to just face them.
 
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Lursa said:
Lord that is depressing! (all the quotes you posted in 387)

And I'm a practicing Christian.
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Yep.

Christianists (American Taliban) are co-opting Christianity. We all know a majority of Christians are not like the hate-filled people in that link, but too few speak out against them, and too many support them: buy thier books, attend their lectures, donating to them money...
 
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This is truly sad but not very surprising.

I couldn't believe how many rather intelligent individuals I worked with as a nuke (these were nukes themselves) didn't believe in evolution. One guy didn't even come off to me as overly religious and yet he was arguing that because there were so many "holes" in the Theory of Evolution, that it couldn't be true. He never actually said that it was likely God that made us as we are or anything like, just denied Evolution.
 
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roguenuke said:
This is truly sad but not very surprising.

I couldn't believe how many rather intelligent individuals I worked with as a nuke (these were nukes themselves) didn't believe in evolution. One guy didn't even come off to me as overly religious and yet he was arguing that because there were so many "holes" in the Theory of Evolution, that it couldn't be true. He never actually said that it was likely God that made us as we are or anything like, just denied Evolution.
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I think with some people, the thought that we are just smarter apes is frightening and therefore the anger against evolution theory. It's hard to think of yourself as an animal sometimes yet that is all we are. Just another animal that lives and dies on a planet with 1000's of other animal species doing the same. Happy New Year!
 
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Cardinal said:
Isn't it defined as when the two can no longer breed with each other?
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That's kind of bad though, especially with Tigons and Ligers which are cross between lions and tigers depending on which parent is of which gender. And apparently they are fertile.
 
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Peter King said:
Well, that is how opinion polls work.
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Which is why I tend to never believe polls.


The more honest way to present this would have been to say that 500 of the 1,000 Americans polled denied evolution....



Not "1/3 of Americans deny evolution."
 
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obvious Child said:
That's kind of bad though, especially with Tigons and Ligers which are cross between lions and tigers depending on which parent is of which gender. And apparently they are fertile.
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I thought ligers weren't fertile?
 
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