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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
"the fairy tale version"

Where the highly designed machinery of life, and all it's SYMBIOTIC relationships which MUST exist simultaneously, were created by an engineer outside of space-time.


Isn't the real fairy tale the idea that the universe was generated by an explosion of ??????? and became us?

One strand of DNA is VASTLY more complex than every single creation devised by mankind.

A single bird wing shows more engineering than every flying device man has created.

Hmmm .....

DNA auto-corrects it's own errors. I wish I could write code like that!
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I'm certain very few people deny that evolution as defined is but a theory, a theory that makes practical sense to so many. In contrast, absent a SHRED of evidence, believers will have you to know, dogmatically, that their god, now the list is too long to regurgitate again, is "thee" one responsible for having both brought into existence and sustains, all life as we know it and experience it.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Well they shouldn't be offended because that is not what evolution says. It says we evolved from a common primate ancestor.
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Then why are there still primates?
 
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Are saying if evolution occured there would only be one primate? No primates? Not sure.
j-mac said:
Then why are there still primates?
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j-mac said:
Well then, how do you know that intelligent design doesn't account for something?
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We don't, but there's no evidence that it did account for something so in a scientific discussion it's not terribly relevant.
 
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SingleCellOrganism said:
"Why are sperm necessary for reproduction and how did they evolve?"

Quickly disproving evolution in one sentence!

Mutual simultaneous symbiotic relationships, every single component from DNA -> cell -> organs -> external environment.

To believe evolution, you need to accept that life generated from the greatest series of coincidences imaginable.

No sperm -> dead

No egg -> dead

Simultaneous, mutual, symbiotic.

If not: why aren't all creatures androgynous?
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So instead of replying to the points I made, you go on to yet another attempt to "prove" evolution isn't real. An argument works better when one side sticks with a topic and is willing to admit that a lack of knowledge of the subject under discussion just might mean the ignorant one doesn't really an argument - just rinse and repeat. The attempts by creationists to disprove the Theory of Evolution have been refuted time and time again for the past 100 years.
 
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j-mac said:
Then why are there still primates?
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Um, why wouldn't there be?
 
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j-mac said:
Then why are there still primates?
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Give it time, we are but a blink of the eye on the evolutionary timetable of Earth's existence. Literally.
 
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shrubnose said:
My question is why would an omnipotent God, who could create perfect beings, need evolution?
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And......why would such a god create so many ****ed up people?!?
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Give it time, we are but a blink of the eye on the evolutionary timetable of Earth's existence. Literally.
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Not sure we have that much time, think the Earth has another 4.5 billion years of life supporting environment to it?
 
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apdst said:
He put it in terms that mankind could comprehend.
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And it was written 'by men,' not God.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
And you have just demonstrated the attitude so prevalent among some on the right in America that explains why so many of them do not accept the science behind evolution.
You are presented with evidence that goes against a preconceived notion your part, and rather than accepting it, you simply respond with "Not buying' it."
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No one has to accept evidence of any theory.

Check the U.S. Constitution. It doesn't say anything about this.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Well they shouldn't be offended because that is not what evolution says. It says we evolved from a common primate ancestor.
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LOL

Like they make that distinction? If they even know what a 'primate' is they visualize a monkey. Even the distinction between monkeys and the great apes is lost.
 
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j-mac said:
The fact remains that today Evolution and Creationism are not taught side by side in Public schools, despite your fears.
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Many state school boards continue to attempt to add creationism or intelligent design to science text books and curriculae.

Kansas and TX are 2 states that come to mind most recently.
 
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I want to address those who think of evolution as just "A Theory". As if that puts it on equal footing with intelligent design . . . because that is a theory too . . . even though it isn't. The reason for this is because the scientific method isn't some nice, neat, linear series of steps from it's first observation to the final theory. Science is cyclic where inductive and deductive reasoning is applied over and over again, constantly, to the different aspects of the same subject. You just can't do that with Intelligent Design, and that is a fact.

Evolution is a theory where we can use all our observations of life on Earth, through the fossil record, the geology of where they are found, and the biology of living species to make sense and understand it. The scientific method can be used to make the idea of living things changing over time, and that organisms are related like the branches of a huge bush where existing species give rise to new species as the most reasonable explanation.

There is just so much evidence in support of evolution that the tried and tested theory may be reasonably considered fact. Denying that evidence and equating Intelligent Design is just a political savvy way of including creationism in the conversation.
 
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Texmex said:
Thank God for that! I wouldn't even visit New England, let alone live there.
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I'm sure they would say the same thing about Texas, except right now because I believe they are about to get battered by snow lol.
 
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clownboy said:
No on the first considering that's a modern invention made to fuel an anti-God argument. The rest perhaps (though it's just "Ra"). But the post you're responding to doesn't single out any particular conception of God.
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IOW, in your opinion it could as easily been Allah OR Zoroaster that created life as we know it, but not a coalition of the two, and certainly you don't insist then, that it was Jesus or the father of Jesus (although it could have been) that created life as we know it and experience it.
 
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j-mac said:
So, why then has evolution seemingly stopped for a majority of species on earth?
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Who says it has?

The true split off of a separate species (higher plants and animals) is something that a) isnt generally 'visible' since it's at a genetic level and not always expressed in the outward physical form of an organism, b) is often taking place in front of us and we see 'transitional' forms of populations...which then causes confusion over sub-species, etc. THere is no GOAL to evolution....it only occurs as a response to environmental changes....so we dont 'know' how those forms will continue to develop, or if they even will, and c) the obvious....it generally takes place over thousands and thousands of years.

However species are genetically adapting to their environments ALL THE TIME. The genetic differences in different populations of species are visible and internal. For humans, geographic populations have loads of identifiable genetic differences, most of which are not visible, but are traced and tracked all the time.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Actually you really do a disservice to the victims of the taliban when you attempt to draw such comparisons. In fact, next time this strikes you as a good idea why not look at this picture and remind yourself that you're trivializing this for nothing more than political points
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http://wikiislam.net/wiki/uploads/0/08/Islamic_stoning_to_death_in_Somalia.jpg
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Excellent point.

I don't believe that any group in the USA would even think seriously of doing some cruel **** like that.
 
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Lursa said:
Who says it has?

The true split off of a separate species (higher plants and animals) is something that a) isnt generally 'visible' since it's at a genetic level and not always expressed in the outward physical form of an organism, b) is often taking place in front of us and we see 'transitional' forms of populations...which then causes confusion over sub-species, etc. THere is no GOAL to evolution....it only occurs as a response to environmental changes....so we dont 'know' how those forms will continue to develop, or if they even will, and c) the obvious....it generally takes place over thousands and thousands of years.

However species are genetically adapting to their environments ALL THE TIME. The genetic differences in different populations of species are visible and internal. For humans, geographic populations have loads of identifiable genetic differences, most of which are not visible, but are traced and tracked all the time.
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Not always visible, but definitely observable as you pointed out. I also enjoy the fact you used the word "adapting" when referring to the theory that is questioned by so many. It was never, "Survival of the fittest (or strongest)," it has always been, "Survival of the most adaptable." Otherwise dinosaurs, bears, and lions would be in charge right now. But once again, I appreciate you reinforcing the scientific method with your mention of observations being traced and tracked . . . because you can't do that with Intelligent Design, or the real name for it; Creationism
 
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clownboy said:
Adaptaion does not equal macro evolution. When the higher elevation lizards become a separate species let us know.

That's not an adaptation of the individual, it's a genetic change.
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We have a species of lizard here in my state that evolved from one species to 2 in much the same way.....the Northern and Southern Alligator Lizard. The southern species lays eggs, the northern species gives live birth. WHich in reptiles means that they retain the eggs internally to incubate them, rather than laying them and having them hatch in a nest. The internal eggs benefit from a warmer more consistent incubation temperature and thus have a greater chance of hatching in cooler regions.

This required a change in genetic coding for the lizards...one which became more and more prevalent in the northern race as those were more suited to reproducing successfully in the colder area.

The overall development of that separate species would have taken hundreds, if not thousands of years...and it would not have been 'visible' to anyone around to observe.
 
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