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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

SingleCellOrganism said:
50,000 generations.

Hundreds of intense environmental changes.

And you call evolution science when you can't reproduce it in a lab?

Come now.

What about Mendels law? Can anyone address the recombinant problem this law creates for those who believe all life sprung from one progenitor?

At what point did the first cells decide to form into more complex structures? How does Mendel fit in here?

(Mendelian inheritance)
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The earth itself is the lab that has reproduced it endlessly. But if your in the group promoting the fairy tale version, by all means, god bless, go forward.
 
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Deuce said:
Well, thing is, it really does. The distinction between macro and mico evolution is an invention of creationists.
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That is completely wrong.

There is NO observable macro-evolution on the planet. ONLY fossil speculation.

There IS observable micro-evolution on the planet, and studied and verified in a lab.
 
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SingleCellOrganism said:
What transitory fossils?

Don't just post a picture of a horse and giraffe :roll:

(or my personal favorite - whale bones!)

Who said the world is 6000 years old? Clearly, science shows its much older than that. (not conjecture, science)
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Transitional fossils:
Dinosaur to bird; Archeopteryx----dated to 150-million years ago. Small bi-pedal dinosaur with feathers.

From the fossil record dating back approximately 4-million years; Ardipithecus to modern human. We find the fossil record shows Ardipithecus evolving into Australopithecus. Somewhere between 2.75 and 3 million years ago early hominoids who walked bipedally began to emerge in Africa. Then came Homo erectus, then came Archaic Homo sapiens, and then the Modern Homo sapiens arrived.

Fossil record, mitochondrial DNA, modern dating methods and science . . . what was I thinking.

The following information came from 2-books;
1. Anthopology, An Integrated Approach
2. Taking Sides, Clashing Views on Controversial Issues in Anthropology

Please feel free to Google, I just used some of my College Texts.
 
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Montecresto said:
The earth itself is the lab that has reproduced it endlessly. But if your in the group promoting the fairy tale version, by all means, god bless, go forward.
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"the fairy tale version"

Where the highly designed machinery of life, and all it's SYMBIOTIC relationships which MUST exist simultaneously, were created by an engineer outside of space-time.


Isn't the real fairy tale the idea that the universe was generated by an explosion of ??????? and became us?

One strand of DNA is VASTLY more complex than every single creation devised by mankind.

A single bird wing shows more engineering than every flying device man has created.

Hmmm .....

DNA auto-corrects it's own errors. I wish I could write code like that!
 
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j-mac said:
Just as those that turn their nose up at religious belief, there are problems that exist with evolution as well...Here are at least 5 of them....

1. No Viable Mechanism to Generate a Primordial Soup.

2. Forming Polymers Requires Dehydration Synthesis

3. RNA World Hypothesis Lacks Confirming Evidence

4. Unguided Chemical Processes Cannot Explain the Origin of the Genetic Code.

And the biggie...

5. No Workable Model for the Origin of Life

Solve those, and you have a real argument for evolution, as indisputable....But I don't think that either side has all the answers, or that either side is 100% right on the issue.
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One side requires facts, the other does not.

Therein lies the insurmountable difference.
 
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Cardinal said:
I thought it was 4000 years old.
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The Hebrew Calendar has traditionally, since the 4th century AD by Hillel II dated the creation to 3761 BC, But some scientists say that the age of the Earth is 4.54 + or - 0.05 billion years.

Believe whatever you want to believe.
 
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SingleCellOrganism said:
Are you aware of the university study (over 60 years) where fruit flies were exposed to all manner of environmental changes (including radiation), 50,000 generations.

Zero evolution.

Fruit flies.
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I am aware of the studies, here's a bit about one - In an international study, the humble fruit fly gives clues to genetic adaptation and immune system evolution | Cornell Chronicle
Here's another: Study of fruit fly chromosomes improves understanding of evolution, fertility

I must assume the following is the basis for your rejection of reality: - 100 Years of Fruit Fly Tests Show No Evolution
 
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BlackAsCoal said:
One side requires facts, the other does not.

Therein lies the insurmountable difference.
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I assume you are of the evolution side as being this "one side requires facts" crowd. Yet you do not tackle one of the 5 items I list the evolution side as having a problem with explaining....Why?
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

j-mac said:
Just as those that turn their nose up at religious belief, there are problems that exist with evolution as well...Here are at least 5 of them....

1. No Viable Mechanism to Generate a Primordial Soup.
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Evolution is not abiogenesis.

2. Forming Polymers Requires Dehydration Synthesis
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Evolution is not abiogenesis.

3. RNA World Hypothesis Lacks Confirming Evidence
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Evolution is not abiogenesis.

4. Unguided Chemical Processes Cannot Explain the Origin of the Genetic Code.
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Evolution is not abiogenesis.


5. No Workable Model for the Origin of Life
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Evolution is not abiogenesis.

Solve those, and you have a real argument for evolution, as indisputable....But I don't think that either side has all the answers, or that either side is 100% right on the issue.
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No, solve those and you have a real argument for abiogenesis.
 
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j-mac said:
So, why then has evolution seemingly stopped for a majority of species on earth?
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It hasn't.
 
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Deuce said:
Well, thing is, it really does. The distinction between macro and mico evolution is an invention of creationists.
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Nonsense. Selective adaption does not at all equal evolution. Perhaps we aren't doing enough to teach evolutionary theory in schools after all.

Deuce said:
Read up on the term "ring species." The distinction between one species and another is somewhat arbitrary.
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No, that's absolutely false. A few biology courses should clear that up for you.

Deuce said:
The bacteria did it on their own merely by being exposed to an environment containing a lot of citrus for a long enough period. "Species" is a fuzzy term when it comes to a single-cell organism. Hell, it's fuzzy for us multicellular organisms too.
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So, that species of bacteria adapted to it's environment but did not evolve to a new species. That doesn't show macro evolution. And the rest is just your excuse. Species is NOT a fuzzy term.

spe·cies
/ˈspēsēz,-SHēz/
noun
noun: species; plural noun: species; noun: sp.; plural noun: spp.1. Biology a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g., Homo sapiens.
synonyms: type, kind, sort
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Oftencold said:
I fully admit to not being terrible educated in this area. But I've long had a question. Supposedly, one of the things that defines a sexually reproducing species, is its inability to breed with other species.

S
o when the first mutant appears as the sole representative of a news species, how does it have little mutants?
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That's not the way that it works.

It's a slow, gradual process which takes generations
 
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j-mac said:
I assume you are of the evolution side as being this "one side requires facts" crowd. Yet you do not tackle one of the 5 items I list the evolution side as having a problem with explaining....Why?
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It's really just 1 item, and it's been tackled since it isn't part of evolutionary theory.
 
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Deuce said:
Evolution is not abiogenesis.


Evolution is not abiogenesis.


Evolution is not abiogenesis.


Evolution is not abiogenesis.



Evolution is not abiogenesis.


No, solve those and you have a real argument for abiogenesis.
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To dismiss because you can't answer them is not any conclusion that you are right.
 
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Somerville said:
I am aware of the studies, here's a bit about one - In an international study, the humble fruit fly gives clues to genetic adaptation and immune system evolution | Cornell Chronicle
Here's another: Study of fruit fly chromosomes improves understanding of evolution, fertility

I must assume the following is the basis for your rejection of reality: - 100 Years of Fruit Fly Tests Show No Evolution
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"Why are sperm necessary for reproduction and how did they evolve?"

Quickly disproving evolution in one sentence!

Mutual simultaneous symbiotic relationships, every single component from DNA -> cell -> organs -> external environment.

To believe evolution, you need to accept that life generated from the greatest series of coincidences imaginable.

No sperm -> dead

No egg -> dead

Simultaneous, mutual, symbiotic.

If not: why aren't all creatures androgynous?
 
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mak2 said:
Millions of years and some people want to look out the window...:roll:
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I know, right? Is evolution just another conspiracy to keep the religious amongst down?
 
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Ikari said:
It's really just 1 item, and it's been tackled since it isn't part of evolutionary theory.
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Well, isn't that convenient.....Almost the same as saying 'God created the heavens, and earth'....
 
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Ray410 said:
Given the result of the Duck Dynasty fiasco, 1/3 would seem to be low. Perhaps the Godless loons need to step up the seemingly endless shrieking ridicule and name calling. Or perhaps the overarching contentment, peace and happiness in that big, diverse Liberal circus tent is just not obvious to anyone else.
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Oh yes, it is the 'Godless' ones who resort to shrieking and name calling.... :doh

Given the repository Pew claims comprises the 1/3 I'd say it seems low to me too! We should never underestimate the power to stay ill-informed and still function in society. (How many times have we heard the CONs claim that to be true? They say it is because of the liberals failing to see their POV, I'd opine it is because they see their fellow travelers)
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

j-mac said:
Well, isn't that convenient.....Almost the same as saying 'God created the heavens, and earth'....
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No, it's just that it's different theories is all. It's like saying our knowledge of electromagnetism is bunk because we don't have a quantum description of gravity.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
I know, right? Is evolution just another conspiracy to keep the religious amongst down?
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Oh please....Whatever caricature you can invent to make yourself superior...Not helpful to the discussion though.
 
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calamity said:
American Taliban is a minority that intimidates the rest of the Christians and leads the Calvary when it comes to oppressing non-Christians. Also, they are experts at playing the victim, like crying about the war on Christmas or insisting Jesus and Santa are both White.
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again, a more intelligent person would have the ability to consider what the taliban does goes further than moaning about the war on christmas and what color santa is. But we both know the political type your represent and it isn't the kind that respects actual data or logic. You're more about mindles braying and vilification, like the very individuals you constantly decry.

Tell that to those persecuted by the American Taliban, especially women seeking an abortion or gays wishing to marry.
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You mean individuals the taliban would simply kill in some gruesome manner? The fact that you're so invested to trivializing such things is disgusting and a better man would feel shame at having to reflect on such things.
 
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obvious Child said:
The more fundamentalist you as a person of the book, the more likely you accept creationism. I always thought it was kind of funny how die hard super religious conservatives share a number of beliefs with Islamic crazies.
And the ultra conservative Jews are in some ways no different from the ultra conservative Muslims.
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Heck they share religious texts and want to live in the same place.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

Ikari said:
No, it's just that it's different theories is all. It's like saying our knowledge of electromagnetism is bunk because we don't have a quantum description of gravity.
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Well, if evolution is correct then what did life evolve from?
 
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