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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

I'm lost.

IF someone believes that God did anything .. they only believe that. IF they believe it, it doesn't make it fact.

Point being, religion is belief .. that's all it is.

I am not sure how to simplify it for you and more than I already have.
 
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Calamity, a more intelligent person would recognize that your original remark concerned a 1/3 of the US population, while the type of violence you are now citing in support of your characterization was carried out by an extreme minority within that group.
American Taliban is a minority that intimidates the rest of the Christians and leads the Calvary when it comes to oppressing non-Christians. Also, they are experts at playing the victim, like crying about the war on Christmas or insisting Jesus and Santa are both White.

Now, considering our past discussions, I understand such obvious and simple facts will never sway you, but given the irony of such in this thread it might be worth throwing it out there and letting everyone "chew on it"
Tell that to those persecuted by the American Taliban, especially women seeking an abortion or gays wishing to marry.
 
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Ok, so why bring up a 'boogeyman' that doesn't exist?

If you give Creationists their way, it will exist. It shouldn't.
 
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I'm going to assume you mean keep, "there is no God", out of the science classes when I agree with you 100%

They shouldn't be teaching about God in science classes one way or the other. It's not science, it's faith.

Which isn't to say faith isn't important, just that it's not science.
 
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There is no scientific evidence disproving the existence of God, therefore that would be an inappropriate statement to make in a science class, yes.

It's also anti-religion. Promoting the belief that there is no god is a violation of the 1st Amendment.
 
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There have been efforts that have thankfully failed for the most part. Although several states have passed laws that deliberately downplay evolution. The Supreme Court smacked down the outright teaching of creationism in a science class, but there are ongoing attempts to circumvent that by rebranding creationism as "intelligent design."

The fact remains that today Evolution and Creationism are not taught side by side in Public schools, despite your fears.
 
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I am not sure how to simplify it for you and more than I already have.

That makes two of us.
 
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They shouldn't be teaching about God in science classes one way or the other. It's not science, it's faith.

Which isn't to say faith isn't important, just that it's not science.

We agree twice in one day, everyone grab your bug-out bag and head to the under-ground shelter!...lol!
 
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Evolution / Abiogenesis:

Nothing exploded and became everything. Then the everything which was nothing decided to explode within itself and generate us.

And we are 'stupid' and 'ignorant' for believing an engineer outside of space-time created the ultra-complexity in the universe?

LOL

Was it:

A: A product of random accidental chaos (Do you believe order rises from chaos?)

or

B: A product of higher design (Do you believe order rises from higher intelligence?)


Now, you need to apply this same question to EVERY single tiny detail, every symbiotic system and literally EVERYTHING from the smallest cell to the largest star........ as well as every single connecting (and vitally critical) system in-between in our finite little universe comprised of 3 dimensional pixels.

What we know for certain is that "order rising from chaos" of its own accord does NOT happen in anything scientifically observable -> not without preexisting coding to do such (just like a computer program)..... or a plant seed..... or a DNA strand.....


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I say the pseudo-scientists in this thread need to re-evaluate their 'evidence'.

Can you reproduce evolution in a lab? No? Oh it's conjecture from analyzing bone structures? I see... so evolution really isn't science, but conjecture.

Did you know that DNA contains digital instructions sets for creating every component of a symbiotic biological android which is both symbiotic internally and externally?

And that just happened ... and I'm dumb for questioning the now-ancient reasoning of Chuck Darwin.
 
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American Taliban is a minority that intimidates the rest of the Christians and leads the Calvary when it comes to oppressing non-Christians. Also, they are experts at playing the victim, like crying about the war on Christmas or insisting Jesus and Santa are both White.


Tell that to those persecuted by the American Taliban, especially women seeking an abortion or gays wishing to marry.

What a disgusting display of bigotry this post is....
 
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It's also anti-religion. Promoting the belief that there is no god is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

It's not anti-religion merely because it contradicts someone's religious ideas. Otherwise you'd believe that teaching evolution is a violation of the 1st Amendment because that's an anti-religion idea. You don't think that, do you?

The fact remains that today Evolution and Creationism are not taught side by side in Public schools, despite your fears.

The fact remains that single-payer healthcare doesn't exist in America, so I shouldn't expect to see you in any health care threads talking about socialism, right?
 
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They shouldn't be teaching about God in science classes one way or the other. It's not science, it's faith.

Which isn't to say faith isn't important, just that it's not science.

Depends upon the context. Creation (of the universe) is still a subject we're exploring, it's not settled science yet. God is one of the possible initiators.
 
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Depends upon the context. Creation (of the universe) is still a subject we're exploring, it's not settled science yet. God is one of the possible initiators.

The ONLY logical initiator.

Unless you believe in the equivalent of winning the lottery every day, without fail, since the universe began...

Was it:

A: A product of random accidental chaos (Do you believe order rises from chaos?)

or

B: A product of higher design (Do you believe order rises from higher intelligence?)


Now, you need to apply this same question to EVERY single tiny detail, every symbiotic system and literally EVERYTHING from the smallest cell to the largest star........ as well as every single connecting (and vitally critical) system in-between in our finite little universe comprised of 3 dimensional pixels.
 
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The fact remains that single-payer healthcare doesn't exist in America, so I shouldn't expect to see you in any health care threads talking about socialism, right?

Never said single payer did exist in America, but you should stick to the topic. Oh, I also rarely use the term 'socialism' to describe what is happening, although it could be apt, it looks like it may not be totally accurate. So your attempt to justify your own fear mongering, while denouncing opposition ability to do the same is at the least hypocritical. Surely you see that?
 
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Right - because the rest of the world undoubtedly believes in evolution. (sarcasm). It's just us retarded Americans who can't get our **** together who are dumb.

For many people - in a large number of religions - it conflicts with religious doctrines or they're not taught any such thing in school (if they have a school at all to attend).

You're acting like knowledge that we teach is some sort of generic info that everyone is aware of. Evolution is a relatively new school of thought in contrast to things like math. And couple that with religious conflicts - it's often not taught at all in school save for 'a theory'

Because - mind you - it is still just a theory.

Gravity is a theory too. Yet it has been observed. Mitochondrial DNA, the fossil record, and other observations put evolution into the same kind of area as gravity . . . yes?
 
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Gravity is a theory too. Yet it has been observed. Mitochondrial DNA, the fossil record, and other observations put evolution into the same kind of area as gravity . . . yes?

Where did gravity come from?

Where did the animals making up the fossil record come from? (which coincidentally show that evolution is false, more than any other dataset - where are the billions of transitory fossils which SHOULD exist but don't?)

If dinosaurs became birds, then where are the hundreds of thousands of transitory creatures whereby the legs became the highly sophisticated flying machines that are bird wings? (which humans are incapable of replicating)

[not conjecture based on shape of whale skeletons]

How does the most complex digital software ever known to exist write itself? (DNA)

How does that ultra-complex software self-error correct?

Chance? lol?

As a software engineer, the thought of tossing random bits into my code and expecting it to work is comical. DNA is FAR MORE COMPLEX than ALL HUMAN CODE COMBINED. (one strand)
 
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In any case I'm not sure how well the topic of breeding fits in with natural selection.

There's a beer coefficient, it explains a lot.
 
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I should have been more clear. I know they are classified in the genus Pan. However, due to dna sequencing done over the last decade or so, we know that they should actually be classified in the same genus that we are in.

Ah.
I can't keep up with video-game technology- what chance do I have with keeping current genetics?
 
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Okay - who here rejects evolution?

Show of hands please.


"Republicans" are growing skeptical???? Really?

Like there's growing evidence against evolution?




I have mixed feelings about this issue.

While I personally believe that evolution has happened and is going on right now, I don't believe that those who deny the existence of evolution should be forced to evolve.
 
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I have mixed feelings about this issue.

While I personally believe that evolution has happened and is going on right now, I don't believe that those who deny the existence of evolution should be forced to evolve.

Why weren't scientists able to force evolution on fruit flies through 50,000 generations over 60 years, exposing them to all manner of environmental permutations?
 
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Never said it did....But one thing science has perpetually had a problem with explaining is what caused the big bang? Where did it come from?

And religion has answered that question for us?
 
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"Consequently if this theory be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Cambrian age to the present day; and that during these vast periods the world swarmed with living creatures."

Charles Darwin

"To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system I can give no satisfactory answer . . . Nevertheless, the difficulty of assigning any good reason for the absence of vast piles of strata rich in fossils beneath the Cambrian system is very great."

Charles Darwin

"So that the number of intermediate and transitional links, between all living and extinct species, must have been inconceivably great. But assuredly, if this theory be true, such have lived upon the earth."

Charles Darwin


Origin of Species

See the problem here?
 
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What we know for certain is that "order rising from chaos" of its own accord does NOT happen in anything scientifically observable -> not without preexisting coding to do such (just like a computer program)..... or a plant seed..... or a DNA strand.....
This statement is built on false premises. No, actually, we don't know that for certain. Of course, "order" and "chaos" are human distinctions in the first place.

Can you reproduce evolution in a lab? No? Oh it's conjecture from analyzing bone structures? I see... so evolution really isn't science, but conjecture.
Yes it can be reproduced in a lab and no it's not just from analyzing bone structures.

Did you know that DNA contains digital instructions sets for creating every component of a symbiotic biological android which is both symbiotic internally and externally?
Yes. Ironically, DNA is another line of evidence that backs up evolution.

And that just happened ... and I'm dumb for questioning the now-ancient reasoning of Chuck Darwin.
I think your problem is that you're assuming there's no answer to some of these supposed questions you're raising. Somebody out there told you there's these holes in the theory of evolution. And you didn't check to see if those holes actually existed.
 
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