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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

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j-mac said:
Nice, so now it is a mental illness to be a Christian....Aren't you special.
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That's not what he said you liar.
 
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Cardinal said:
Isn't it defined as when the two can no longer breed with each other?
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there are plenty of divergent species that can bread with each other, though. As a useful scientific concept it's currently a mess and is going through lots of revision and challenges based on new genetic research, advances in breeding techniques, etc. Hell, some species n the past were classified as species based on nothing more than the way they looked
 
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Deuce said:
Yes, everyone knows that. What do you see this as contributing to the discussion?
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If everyone knows this, how is it that a third of Americans don't believe in evolution?

Judging from some of the comments here, there seems to be some confusion about religion is or isn't.

What I added was a statement of fact .. why do you have a problem with a fact?
 
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j-mac said:
Nice, so now it is a mental illness to be a Christian....Aren't you special.
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You are twisting my words. It is insane to take a literalist interpretation of the Bible, yes. I wouldn't call average Christians insane, but then again, all Christians believe in something that has no evidence which is not particularly sane.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
there are plenty of divergent species that can bread with each other, though. As a useful scientific concept it's currently a mess and is going through lots of revision and challenges based on new genetic research, advances in breeding techniques, etc. Hell, some species n the past were classified as species based on nothing more than the way they looked
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Yeah, as someone pointed out earlier, the concept of a species is a human invention and is more or less an arbitrary distinction. Take that chicken and egg question: the real answer is that there isn't an answer. For a few hundred thousand years, an increasingly chicken-like creature developed. And at some point we start to call it a chicken, but that creature continues to gradually change. Each new chicken is just ever so slightly different from the last one... so is it still a chicken?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
there are plenty of divergent species that can bread with each other, though. As a useful scientific concept it's currently a mess and is going through lots of revision and challenges based on new genetic research, advances in breeding techniques, etc. Hell, some species n the past were classified as species based on nothing more than the way they looked
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A species is defined as populations that can interbreed within nature.

There isn't much hybrid interbreeding within nature.
 
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BlackAsCoal said:
If everyone knows this, how is it that a third of Americans don't believe in evolution?

Judging from some of the comments here, there seems to be some confusion about religion is or isn't.

What I added was a statement of fact .. why do you have a problem with a fact?
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They don't believe in evolution because they believe their interpretation of the bible says it can't be true. Something being a "belief" doesn't mean it's wrong. I believe there must be other life in this universe, due to its shear size and the number of stars. However, I have absolutely no evidence that this is true. Creationists aren't wrong because they hold a "belief." They're wrong for other reasons.
 
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Deuce said:
People who cling to ignorance deserve criticism.
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That is your own construct, and frankly your own problem....You drip intolerance with this post.

God gave you reason and intellect, and it wasn't just to watch you abandon them.
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The notion that I am abandoning anything is your opinion, for which I have little to no use for. To put yourself on some higher level of intelligence because of ones faith, that they must think as you do or else they are flawed in some way, is not only narcissistic, but quite foolish.

The earth is not 6,000-10,000 years old.
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I never said it was...But I want to say....Thank you Capt. Obvious.

If someone's interpretation of the bible leads them to believe the earth is that young, they are wrong.
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Why would you care what they think?

God would want them to see the truth.
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Wow! the arrogance. That you would presume to speak for God, when in this post alone you have only disparaged his believers is astonishing...What a tool.
 
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ethanUNC said:
I would like to clarify that I refer to the fundamentalist Christians.
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Why be so restrictive? If you are going to be embarrassed, go all out.
 
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ethanUNC said:
You are twisting my words. It is insane to take a literalist interpretation of the Bible, yes. I wouldn't call average Christians insane, but then again, all Christians believe in something that has no evidence which is not particularly sane.
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Do their beliefs particularly effect you?
 
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j-mac said:
That is your own construct, and frankly your own problem....You drip intolerance with this post.



The notion that I am abandoning anything is your opinion, for which I have little to no use for. To put yourself on some higher level of intelligence because of ones faith, that they must think as you do or else they are flawed in some way, is not only narcissistic, but quite foolish.



I never said it was...But I want to say....Thank you Capt. Obvious.



Why would you care what they think?



Wow! the arrogance. That you would presume to speak for God, when in this post alone you have only disparaged his believers is astonishing...What a tool.
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I have only disparaged his believers who believe something that is provably false and refuse to look at any evidence. Particularly those who would actually lie to their flock in order to further this inaccurate belief. Those are the people I am criticizing. The majority of Christians are able to look at scientific evidence and come to rational conclusions based on it.

Stop extrapolating everyone's posts into some blanket attack against all of Christianity. Your persecution complex is getting old.

It's interesting that you think I'm trying to speak for God when I suggest God wants you to know the truth. Those aren't my words, those are His. Read your books.
 
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j-mac said:
Do their beliefs particularly effect you?
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Yes. One such individual sits on the House of Representatives Science, Space, and Technology committee, and therefore has disproportionate influence over this nation's science policy. A man who rejects a lot of science. He got there because these types of people voted for him.
 
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Higgins86 said:
yeh its true and its something I learned very quickly, New England is almost a different country than Texas ( one example)
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Thank God for that! I wouldn't even visit New England, let alone live there.
 
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Deuce said:
I have only disparaged his believers who believe something that is provably false and refuse to look at any evidence. Particularly those who would actually lie to their flock in order to further this inaccurate belief. Those are the people I am criticizing. The majority of Christians are able to look at scientific evidence and come to rational conclusions based on it.

Stop extrapolating everyone's posts into some blanket attack against all of Christianity. Your persecution complex is getting old.

It's interesting that you think I'm trying to speak for God when I suggest God wants you to know the truth. Those aren't my words, those are His. Read your books.
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Yeah, like your dripping contempt isn't....GFY my friend.
 
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j-mac said:
Do their beliefs particularly effect you?
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Very much so. These nutbars actually campaign for creation in our children's science classes.
 
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Deuce said:
Yes. One such individual sits on the House of Representatives Science, Space, and Technology committee, and therefore has disproportionate influence over this nation's science policy. A man who rejects a lot of science. He got there because these types of people voted for him.
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:roll: What a load....
 
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j-mac said:
..GFY my friend.
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That must mean "good for you".

After all, such a devout Christian such as yourself would not actually say what it appears you are saying, right?
 
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In general people have a wide ranging set of beliefs on all matter of scientific subjects. You can run the same poll on the same group and instead ask their beliefs on whether sky scrapers can fall straight down and get a surprising number of people ignorant of the science. That rejection of the science would fall predominantly along political fault lines, though.

The reason evolution is used so often as a proxy for general scientific knowledge is that many seem to find some pleasure in sticking a thumb in the eye of religion by picking the one avenue of science that seems to be at odds with the tenets of faith. But, ironically, those who love to draw this divide on evolution out into a broader scold of those dumb religious people are simply blaring their own ignorance in the process.
 
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j-mac said:
Yeah, like your dripping contempt isn't....GFY my friend.
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You perceive that because of your own biases, not mine. Go cool off, you're clearly taking this way too personally.
 
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ethanUNC said:
Very much so. These nutbars actually campaign for creation in our children's science classes.
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So, you are for restricting viewpoints, or allowing people to make up their own minds....Ain't freedom great?
 
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j-mac said:
:roll: What a load....
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He raised an important point. These crazies vote crazy people like them into office. We have militant Christians running our foreign policy.
 
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j-mac said:
:roll: What a load....
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Paul Broun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell," said Broun, who is an MD. "It's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
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The man is a medical doctor who has two children and believes embryology is a lie.
 
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Gardener said:
That must mean "good for you".

After all, such a devout Christian such as yourself would not actually say what it appears you are saying, right?
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Who said I am a devout Christian? I don't attend any Church, and am not currently of any denomination...It is you who see me as defending peoples right to believe what they want as a threat, so you must put me in a box....That is your problem.
 
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