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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    think harder then.

    so what are you saying? that NATURE created nature? That it wasn't something else? Because using logic like "gee, maybe the universe just always existed" makes the christian explanation sound downright brilliant!
    Nature is not a tangible thing. It is nothing more than a word we use to describe a set of processes.

    All I am saying is that it is possible that the universe has always existed. Prove me wrong.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Skepticism is good, the scientific method is good, I just think there are problems with the theory of evolution that get whitewashed somewhat due to the sensitive nature of the topic.
    No, the problems get shown to not actually be problems and the religious crowd just keeps bringing them up anyway.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    If it is so hard to believe that the universe and all it's contents came from nowhere and evolved, why isn't it even more difficult to believe that there's something that could have created it?

    If a god created everything - what created the god?

    Some people say we could not have come from nothing, yet forget that the god must have come from somewhere.

    Where did "god" come from? Is he/she the offspring of other gods? And where did they come from?

    How did this god come of such power and intelligence?

    Those who say some things in the universe are too complex to have come from nothing seem to accept the idea that the creator came from nothing.

    A very chicken vs egg scenario in a way.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If it is so hard to believe that the universe and all it's contents came from nowhere and evolved, why isn't it even more difficult to believe that there's something that could have created it?

    If a god created everything - what created the god?

    Some people say we could not have come from nothing, yet forget that the god must have come from somewhere.

    Where did "god" come from? Is he/she the offspring of other gods? And where did they come from?

    How did this god come of such power and intelligence?

    Those who say some things in the universe are too complex to have come from nothing seem to accept the idea that the creator came from nothing.

    A very chicken vs egg scenario in a way.
    A law of physics is that matter is neither created nor destroyed, yet anyone who uses their head realizes that before time 0 there was no matter (prior to the big bang). At this, we must say that matter was once created, and by a creator.

    I'm not saying I'm right, but I am saying your argument isn't a particularly good one.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    A law of physics is that matter is neither created nor destroyed, yet anyone who uses their head realizes that before time 0 there was no matter (prior to the big bang). At this, we must say that matter was once created, and by a creator.

    I'm not saying I'm right, but I am saying your argument isn't a particularly good one.
    Anyone with a head would realize that this is very high level theoretical physics so they should probably check and see whether physicists might have a resolution for the apparent discrepancy.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    A law of physics is that matter is neither created nor destroyed, yet anyone who uses their head realizes that before time 0 there was no matter (prior to the big bang). At this, we must say that matter was once created, and by a creator.

    I'm not saying I'm right, but I am saying your argument isn't a particularly good one.
    Logically speaking, it is irreconcilable to simultaneously claim "matter can neither be created nor destroyed" and then claim "matter must have been created (by a creator)." If it can't be created, then it can't be created.

    If one decides to follow the fallacious path that leads to "the uncaused cause (the Prime Mover)," one again runs into the irreconcilable propositions that everything needs a cause, but for the one thing specifically excepted by fiat. If an uncaused cause is possible (when speaking about a god), then it's possible (when speaking about the universe).
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    A law of physics is that matter is neither created nor destroyed, yet anyone who uses their head realizes that before time 0 there was no matter (prior to the big bang). At this, we must say that matter was once created, and by a creator.

    I'm not saying I'm right, but I am saying your argument isn't a particularly good one.
    At least get the theory right. Matter was "created" when the energy released by the Big Bang converted into hydrogen atoms according to Einstein's theory. When enough of these atoms collected together through gravity they formed stars that then created all the other elements by nuclear fusion . I don't see any creator mentioned. Matter cannot be destroyed but it can be converted to energy and back to matter. Energy and matter are interchangeable according to Einstein. There is no cosmic muffin involved in science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    At least get the theory right. Matter was "created" when the energy released by the Big Bang converted into hydrogen atoms according to Einstein's theory. When enough of these atoms collected together through gravity they formed stars that then created all the other elements by nuclear fusion . I don't see any creator mentioned. Matter cannot be destroyed but it can be converted to energy and back to matter. Energy and matter are interchangeable according to Einstein. There is no cosmic muffin involved in science.
    Now what is the catalyst for the big bang?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    Now what is the catalyst for the big bang?
    Grasping at straws are we? Scientists are not sure but if you want the cosmic muffin to light the fuse those billions of years ago, never to be seen again then go for it. I'm not sure what that proves about religion though.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    Now what is the catalyst for the big bang?
    A difficult question to answer, since there wasn't anything "before" the big bang, because time didn't exist "before" then.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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