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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Here's a blurb from the university staff at Berkeley explaining how sexual selection leads to certain genes being propagated.

    If you understood how evolution works, that would actually be obvious. Sex is how genes are passed from one generation to the next, after all, so whoever has the most sex passes on the most genes.

    Evolution 101: Sexual Selection


    And here's the good folks at Berkeley telling you all about how organisms supposedly mutate.

    The effects of mutations

    Clearly, I meant from one generation to the next, not me randomly growing a third eyeball at age 30.

    Ah yes, my bad. Matt Ridley goes into sexual selection in his book The Red Queen on sex and evolution. A book I highly recommend and one...including the theory of sexual selection...completely support and depend on EVOLUTION. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    I was thinking of sexual selection on a narrower scale after Sanghas post.

    And again, it is only ONE mechanism that drives evolution, not one that 'dispproves it.' And as I mentioned as a quick reminder to Sangha, sexual reproduction is not the only way organisms pass on genes.

    I know how organisms change over time. They do NOT mutate. Their is a mutation in a gene and that gets passed on *thru generations.* The organism does not mutate.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The distribution of genes? Please explain.
    Right now, a certain specific percentage of the population has the genes for red hair. 20 years from now that percentage may have changed.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Even atheist would have to agree that whatever began the Universe HAD TO BE SUPERNATURAL, and that of course means something that is outside of nature.
    Neither atheists not religious people have to agree that the universe had a beginning.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I also asked how you know that all is correct? Why are you using it in your arguments when you dont know if it will be replaced with a new theory or determination in the future?

    What makes you think that science is right? How are you qualified to determine that?
    Funny you should ask. If you read the link, you'll notice something quite interesting. It seems that until this year, scientists believed the number of neurons in the human brain was over 100 billion. New research suggests that number to be quite a bit less, which is how we arrive at the 80 billion number.

    A year ago, I'm sure there are many who would state that we have 100 billion neurons and that's a FACT because science says so. However, as we've seen, they would have been incorrect.

    How many neurons make a human brain? Billions fewer than we thought | James Randerson | Science | theguardian.com


    Just goes to show my skepticism is well-placed. How do I know the number is 80 billion? I don't. It's very likely that number can be revised again in the future.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Ah yes, my bad. Matt Ridley goes into sexual selection in his book The Red Queen on sex and evolution. A book I highly recommend and one...including the theory of sexual selection...completely support and depend on EVOLUTION. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    I was thinking of sexual selection on a narrower scale after Sanghas post.
    No problem. I've read the Red Queen. Another good one is Sperm Wars by Robin Baker. I think there's a lot to those books, but they're missing quite a bit as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And again, it is only ONE mechanism that drives evolution, not one that 'dispproves it.' And as I mentioned as a quick reminder to Sangha, sexual reproduction is not the only way organisms pass on genes.
    Did I try to use sexual selection as something that disproves evolution? I don't think I did. And you're right, it's not the only way organisms pass on genes, but it's the only way complex organisms do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I know how organisms change over time. They do NOT mutate. Their is a mutation in a gene and that gets passed on *thru generations.* The organism does not mutate.
    OK, but that's semantics. We're saying exactly the same thing. One particular organism won't mutate, that's obvious. The genes will mutate and the next generation will show the results of that mutation. Whether that mutation survives is dependent on how sexually attractive it is, or on how it affects the organism's survivability.

    We've all read the textbooks. I still don't believe that man evolved from lower life forms, though. The mechanism for evolution is somewhat sound (though I still have issues with, for example, speciation), but what really bothers me the most about the theory is the sheer complexity of the human organism. The brain is just one organ. Our DNA is unbelievably intricate. It would take trillions and trillions of generations, in my humble opinion, for something like that to just evolve, and even then....

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Funny you should ask. If you read the link, you'll notice something quite interesting. It seems that until this year, scientists believed the number of neurons in the human brain was over 100 billion. New research suggests that number to be quite a bit less, which is how we arrive at the 80 billion number.

    A year ago, I'm sure there are many who would state that we have 100 billion neurons and that's a FACT because science says so. However, as we've seen, they would have been incorrect.

    How many neurons make a human brain? Billions fewer than we thought | James Randerson | Science | theguardian.com


    Just goes to show my skepticism is well-placed. How do I know the number is 80 billion? I don't. It's very likely that number can be revised again in the future.
    And did the substance of the science determining that number change significantly? The foundation of the science behind it? No, the basic principles are still solid.

    Same with evolution.

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    Science is based on skepticism.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No problem. I've read the Red Queen. Another good one is Sperm Wars by Robin Baker. I think there's a lot to those books, but they're missing quite a bit as well.

    We've all read the textbooks. I still don't believe that man evolved from lower life forms, though. The mechanism for evolution is somewhat sound (though I still have issues with, for example, speciation), but what really bothers me the most about the theory is the sheer complexity of the human organism. The brain is just one organ. Our DNA is unbelievably intricate. It would take trillions and trillions of generations, in my humble opinion, for something like that to just evolve, and even then....
    Personally then, IMO it's your personal limitation that you cannot wrap your mind around that kind of complexity. It's not easy, I remember sitting thru zoology, microbiology....2 of my favorites and having to delve deeper into concepts & having it explained....over and over....to gain understanding. I do not claim complete understanding. As someone who studies epidemiology, I have gotten more comfortable with incredible numbers and the forces & complexity of tiny things.

    Thanks for the recommendation on Sperm Wars. I hope it's available for my Kindle.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And did the substance of the science determining that number change significantly? The foundation of the science behind it? No, the basic principles are still solid.

    Same with evolution.

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    Skepticism is good, the scientific method is good, I just think there are problems with the theory of evolution that get whitewashed somewhat due to the sensitive nature of the topic.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Even the simplest single-cellular life is incredibly complex. Life could have evolved elsewhere in the universe and arrived here frozen on a comet. Who knows.

    The other possibility is that we've been genetically engineered.

    I simply can't believe that chance can produce such complexity.
    But you keep on bringing up the complexity of the human brain as a flaw of evolution. That would still have to evolve regardless with panspermia - 90 billion neurons in a specific pattern.

    Genetic engineering doesn't solve how our creators came to develop either.

    Any alternative to evolution happening from abiogenesis occuring here is automatically less complicated than the alternatives without a supernatural explanation.

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