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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's not driven by random mutation.

    Evolution is the study of how the distribution of genes changes over time within a given population. The distribution of genes changes with or without mutations due to sexual reproduction
    The distribution of genes? Please explain.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    I wish they would phrase the question a bit differently(like asking are there aspects of evolution you accept?), pretty sure you would get different answers. I personally think christians as a whole have no problem with evolution except when it's used as a battering ram against their beliefs, and we all know it's the first arrow in the atheist quiver. I'm not going to argue against evolution, but it still doesn't make me any less certain of a creator who is responsible for everything. Even atheist would have to agree that whatever began the Universe HAD TO BE SUPERNATURAL, and that of course means something that is outside of nature. Something that no atheist has an answer for. All they have is faith that they know, which is just what christians are going on: faith. BOTH sides taking a leap in the dark, and you never hear atheist/liberals at least admit that they have no better answers for our existence then religious people do, evolution or no evolution. So they should acting like evolution explains it all, it doesn't.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, organisms do not mutate, except in science fiction.

    There can be genetic mutation however that is not the primary mechanism that drives evolution, at all. I posted an explanation, which you cut out.

    And I've never even heard of sexual selection as a part of evolution, care to share a link? You do not understand how evolution works, from anything I've seen.
    Here's a blurb from the university staff at Berkeley explaining how sexual selection leads to certain genes being propagated.

    If you understood how evolution works, that would actually be obvious. Sex is how genes are passed from one generation to the next, after all, so whoever has the most sex passes on the most genes.

    Evolution 101: Sexual Selection


    And here's the good folks at Berkeley telling you all about how organisms supposedly mutate.

    The effects of mutations

    Clearly, I meant from one generation to the next, not me randomly growing a third eyeball at age 30.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I was wondering Peter, if you could answer my question on neurons?
    Ok sure. You asked how I knew how many neurons are in the human brain:

    Here you have a number of sources:

    Herculano-Houzel S (2009). The human brain in numbers: A linearly scaled-up primate brain. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience, 3(31). doi:10.3389/neuro.09.031.2009

    Orca, S. (2009, Nov 30). The race to reverse engineer the human brain. H + Magazine. Retrieved from The Race to Reverse Engineer the Human Brain

    Randerson, J. (2012, Feb 28). How many neurons make a human brain? Billions fewer than we thought. The Guardian. Retrieved from How many neurons make a human brain? Billions fewer than we thought | James Randerson | Science | theguardian.com

    Williams, Robert W. (2000). "Mapping Genes that Modulate Mouse Brain Development: A Quantitative Genetic Approach". In: Mouse brain development (Goffinet AF, Rakic P, eds), Springer Verlag, New York, pp 2149.


    Or you could just google it. The answer is between 80 and 100 billion.


    Then you asked how I knew those neurons had to be arranged a certain way. Well, think about if they weren't, you would just have a gooey blurb of neurons. But, as we know, the brain is made up of neurons, and the brain has defined structures, with each structure having a defined function. Source:

    Brain Structures and Their Functions

    Therefore, the specific arrangement of neurons is critical to having a working brain.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    I wish they would phrase the question a bit differently(like asking are there aspects of evolution you accept?), pretty sure you would get different answers. I personally think christians as a whole have no problem with evolution except when it's used as a battering ram against their beliefs, and we all know it's the first arrow in the atheist quiver. I'm not going to argue against evolution, but it still doesn't make me any less certain of a creator who is responsible for everything. Even atheist would have to agree that whatever began the Universe HAD TO BE SUPERNATURAL, and that of course means something that is outside of nature. Something that no atheist has an answer for. All they have is faith that they know, which is just what christians are going on: faith. BOTH sides taking a leap in the dark, and you never hear atheist/liberals at least admit that they have no better answers for our existence then religious people do, evolution or no evolution. So they should acting like evolution explains it all, it doesn't.
    The question/answer was pretty straight forward. This is what that 1/3 said they believed.

    "But 33 percent reject the idea of evolution, saying that "humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time," Pew said in a statement."

    One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    If it were framed differently, to be more specific, you would end up with a heck of a lot more people saying they don't believe in Evolution. And there was no bashing of beliefs in that question. Either we evolved from other species, share some ancestors with other species on this planet, or we have always been like we are now and Evolution is false. There isn't any religion bashing in that. It is simply stating the most basic facts of Evolution and whether a person believes them.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Apparently the key talking point for the anti-creationism crowd is that if anyone doesn't believe in evolution, they must not understand it.


    Actually, evolution is driven by random mutation.

    Organisms mutate at random. Some mutations are selected for, some simply die out. Selection occurs either due to sexual selection or just due to a higher rate of survival for those organisms with the mutated genes.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Piece o' cake ... here's all whatcha gotta tell your pollsters to do...


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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

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    I don't want a "comprehension of science"
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    Why aren't monkeys having human children?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ok sure. You asked how I knew how many neurons are in the human brain:

    Here you have a number of sources:

    Herculano-Houzel S (2009). The human brain in numbers: A linearly scaled-up primate brain. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience, 3(31). doi:10.3389/neuro.09.031.2009

    Orca, S. (2009, Nov 30). The race to reverse engineer the human brain. H + Magazine. Retrieved from The Race to Reverse Engineer the Human Brain

    Randerson, J. (2012, Feb 28). How many neurons make a human brain? Billions fewer than we thought. The Guardian. Retrieved from How many neurons make a human brain? Billions fewer than we thought | James Randerson | Science | theguardian.com

    Williams, Robert W. (2000). "Mapping Genes that Modulate Mouse Brain Development: A Quantitative Genetic Approach". In: Mouse brain development (Goffinet AF, Rakic P, eds), Springer Verlag, New York, pp 21–49.


    Or you could just google it. The answer is between 80 and 100 billion.


    Then you asked how I knew those neurons had to be arranged a certain way. Well, think about if they weren't, you would just have a gooey blurb of neurons. But, as we know, the brain is made up of neurons, and the brain has defined structures, with each structure having a defined function. Source:

    Brain Structures and Their Functions

    Therefore, the specific arrangement of neurons is critical to having a working brain.
    I also asked how you know that all is correct? Why are you using it in your arguments when you dont know if it will be replaced with a new theory or determination in the future?

    What makes you think that science is right? How are you qualified to determine that?
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