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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You've won a Nobel Prize?

    You want evidence that evolution is bogus? OK here's a start. About 90 billion neurons in the human brain, all hooked up in a specific intricate pattern. There are about 45 miles of nerves in the human body, all wired up in a specific intricate pattern.

    I could go on. Complexity, at the end of the day, is why I don't believe in evolution.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Man, what is with all the personal attacks on this thread? Are you guys really this afraid to actually debate the issue of evolution?

    Fair warning: I've been reporting each personal attack to the mods. You're welcome for letting you know.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why could that not have evolved? Is it just an assumption you're making that the aggregated "complexity" couldn't be naturally derived?
    I can't eliminate the possibility, but I find it improbable. It's not just that there are 90 billion neurons, it's that they need to be arranged in an exact pattern.

    And then there's the genetic code. The human genome itself has 3.3 billion base-pairs. And again, it needs to be in an exact sequence - it's like a computer language - one gene out of whack and you end up with a third eyeball.

    I have yet to see a process by which random mutations can occur that lead to such astounding levels of complexity. Natural selection is not enough.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

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    Have you read the bible?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I can't eliminate the possibility, but I find it improbable.
    Which is interesting, as between nature and magic, I find magic to be highly improbable. Oh well, each to their own.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which is interesting, as between nature and magic, I find magic to be highly improbable. Oh well, each to their own.
    Hang on there... it is possible to find naturalistic explanations for the origin of life that aren't evolution without a creator or religion.

    Panspermia, for example, is a better theory in my view. Silly as it sounds, the universe is a big place.... who knows what's out there.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Hang on there... it is possible to find naturalistic explanations for the origin of life that aren't evolution without a creator or religion.

    Panspermia, for example, is a better theory in my view. Silly as it sounds, the universe is a big place.... who knows what's out there.
    Who knows indeed, yet evolution is a scientific theory and one which best explains the observables to date. If you can do a better job, then by all means start writing some peer reviewed articles.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I can't eliminate the possibility, but I find it improbable. It's not just that there are 90 billion neurons, it's that they need to be arranged in an exact pattern.

    And then there's the genetic code. The human genome itself has 3.3 billion base-pairs. And again, it needs to be in an exact sequence - it's like a computer language - one gene out of whack and you end up with a third eyeball.

    I have yet to see a process by which random mutations can occur that lead to such astounding levels of complexity. Natural selection is not enough.

    I see how this works.

    If YOU can't understand something, if it's too complex for YOU, it must be bogus.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Have you read the bible?
    Every word

    Have you read Darwin?
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who knows indeed, yet evolution is a scientific theory and one which best explains the observables to date. If you can do a better job, then by all means start writing some peer reviewed articles.
    At the end of the day, if I really sat down and worked on it, I could probably come up with a way to mathematically show that life on earth, let alone complex life, is highly improbable. In fact, it's nearly impossible.

    But in the end, even that wouldn't prove a thing - in fact I think most smart people would agree with it. We may well be the only intelligent creatures in the universe.

    Perhaps the odds of intelligent life forming are 1 in several billion (which is why I don't like evolution inherently), but perhaps this is the one place where that 1 in several billion just happened to take place.

    So in other words - I don't believe in evolution because the evolution of complex life is improbable. However, just being improbable doesn't mean it's proven false.

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