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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Oh, I don't think that completely random evolution is really a sensible option.





    Okay - who here rejects evolution?

    Show of hands please.


    "Republicans" are growing skeptical???? Really?

    Like there's growing evidence against evolution?
    I find evloution to be an aspect of nature, but to be insufficient.

    I've done a lot of coding of one kind or another over the years. And my impression is that an essentially random set variations or mutations in a complex binary code would result in system failure far more often than in positive traits that would then presumably be passed on if the individual reproduced successfully.

    And then we have complex multi-cellular forms in competition with pathogenic asexual single cell forms which are able to mutate far more quickly. And yet, so far at least, no single sell form has succeeded in wiping out other forms entirely. That really shouldn't be all that difficult either. In other words, with the incentive simple life has to fill the world with it own form, and given that bacteria for instance can mutate so very fast, why has no bacterium ever eliminated all the competition?

    But a the same time, nature supposedly has created a far more cumbersome and fragile species in the form of humans, that mutates much more slowly than any germ, but seems to be on the cusp of the ultimate power of eliminating all competitive forms.

    That is of course, not terribly mathematical reasoning, and descends largely from my own impressions. But it still seems to me that evolution in and of itself is inadequate to the type, variety and interdependence found in modern life. People often state "how old" life in Earth is. But really it isn't all that old, even if you allow one non-fatal gene mutation per species per day that is then passed on successfully, and this is before we even consider whether the mutations described impart any improved chance of survival. Three billion years times three hundred and sixty five and a quarter days, it is still a manageable number, and represents far fewer mutations than I expect would be required to produce such an organized system.

    I'm not articulating this terribly well, but better authors than I have.

    I do think that we well might suffer from a common fallacy. To illustrate, if we were all intelligent insects, and we'd arisen from our eggs and cocoons in a well manicured family garden during the two week that the family was away on vacation, we might well come to the conclusion that the trimmed hedges and rows of flowers had all occurred just as they were by purely natural causes, because we'd never seen humans planting and trimming.

    So, I have little trouble accepting evolution per se, but I do believe that other agents are at work.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It baffles me that people can "reject" evolution when it happens, observably, every single day with antibiotic-resistant bacteria.Life adapts.
    They do this by splitting evolution up into macro and micro evolution. No, I'm not saying it's smart, I'm just saying that's how they rationalize it.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    They do this by splitting evolution up into macro and micro evolution. No, I'm not saying it's smart, I'm just saying that's how they rationalize it.
    I know. Even though macroevolution is just microevolution, in a much longer timeframe.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    They do this by splitting evolution up into macro and micro evolution. No, I'm not saying it's smart, I'm just saying that's how they rationalize it.
    Well, on the bright side, at least their bizarre obsession with the eye has died down in recent years.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Well, on the bright side, at least their bizarre obsession with the eye has died down in recent years.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I know. Even though macroevolution is just microevolution, in a much longer timeframe.
    Except that 6000 years isn't long enough for microevolution to result in speciation. QED.

    Have you ever seen a cat turn into a whale? Exactly.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'd venture to guess that it's not growing skeptisism of the evidence but rather a growing of reactionary behavior. "My political opposition believes this so I will take the opposite position regardless of evidence."
    Who would knowingly appear that ignorant on purpose?
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Except that 6000 years isn't long enough for microevolution to result in speciation. QED.

    Have you ever seen a cat turn into a whale? Exactly.
    I fully admit to not being terrible educated in this area. But I've long had a question. Supposedly, one of the things that defines a sexually reproducing species, is its inability to breed with other species.

    So when the first mutant appears as the sole representative of a news species, how does it have little mutants?
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It baffles me that people can "reject" evolution when it happens, observably, every single day with antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

    Life adapts.
    They rationalize that as 'micro-evolution.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    The biggest misconception in understanding evolution is the belief it's based on genetic mutation.

    It is not. That is a minor factor and more often has negative rather than positive consequences

    Evolution is simply a population's genetic complement *changing* in response to environmental influences.

    If there are no significant environmental changes or stresses, then the population...or even species...will remain unchanged. See: horseshoe crab.
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