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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Why do you think so, might I ask?

    A genuine question.
    Because I have faith in God.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Because I have faith in God.
    No one caused evolution to happen. There was no cause. It occurs because of the structure of organisms and the way life interacts on Earth. It is a spontaneous occurrence.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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    Ok, so just trying to understand here, so when these people say this:

    "This article by Dr. Joseph Kuhn of the Department of Surgery at Baylor University Medical Center appeared in the peer-reviewed journal Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings. It poses a number of challenges to both chemical and biological evolution, including:

    1. Limitations of the chemical origin of life data to explain the origin of DNA
    2. Limitations of mutation and natural selection theories to address the irreducible complexity of the cell
    3. Limitations of transitional species data to account for the multitude of changes involved in the transition.
    Regarding the chemical origin of life, Kuhn points to the Miller-Urey experiments and correctly observes that "the experimental conditions of a low-oxygen, nitrogen-rich reducing environment have been refuted." Citing Stephen Meyer's Signature in the Cell, he contends that "the fundamental and insurmountable problem with Darwinian evolution lies in the remarkable complexity and inherent information contained within DNA." Kuhn also explains that "Darwinian evolution and natural selection could not have been causes of the origin of life, because they require replication to operate, and there was no replication prior to the origin of life," but no other known cause can organize the information in life.

    Dr. Kuhn then turns to explaining the concept of irreducible complexity, citing Michael Behe's book Darwin's Black Box and noting that "irreducible complexity suggests that all elements of a system must be present simultaneously rather than evolve through a stepwise, sequential improvement, as theorized by Darwinian evolution." Further, "The fact that these irreducibly complex systems are specifically coded through DNA adds another layer of complexity called 'specified complexity.'" As a medical doctor, Kuhn proposes that irreducibly complex systems within the human body include "vision, balance, the respiratory system, the circulatory system, the immune system, the gastrointestinal system, the skin, the endocrine system, and taste." He concludes that "the human body represents an irreducibly complex system on a cellular and an organ/system basis."

    Kuhn also explores the question of human/ape common ancestry, citing Jonathan Wells's book The Myth of Junk DNA and arguing:

    DNA homology between ape and man has been reported to be 96% when considering only the current protein-mapping sequences, which represent only 2% of the total genome. However, the actual similarity of the DNA is approximately 70% to 75% when considering the full genome, including the previously presumed "junk DNA," which has now been demonstrated to code for supporting elements in transcription or expression. The 25% difference represents almost 35 million single nucleotide changes and 5 million insertions or deletions.
    In Dr. Kuhn's view, this poses a problem for Darwinian evolution because the "[t]he ape to human species change would require an incredibly rapid rate of mutation leading to formation of new DNA, thousands of new proteins, and untold cellular, neural, digestive, and immune-related changes in DNA, which would code for the thousands of new functioning proteins."

    Kuhn also observes that a challenge to neo-Darwinism comes from the Cambrian explosion:

    Thousands of specimens were available at the time of Darwin. Millions of specimens have been classified and studied in the past 50 years. It is remarkable to note that each of these shows a virtual explosion of nearly all phyla (35/40) of the animal kingdom over a relatively short period during the Cambrian era 525 to 530 million years ago. Since that time, there has been occasional species extinction, but only rare new phyla have been convincingly identified. The seminal paper from paleoanthropologists J. Valentine and D. H. Erwin notes that the absence of transitional species for any of the Cambrian phyla limits the neo-Darwinian explanation for evolution.
    Despite Texas's call for discussing the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian evolution, Kuhn closes by noting, "In 2011, when new textbooks were presented to the State Board of Education, 9 out of 10 failed to provide the mandated supplementary curricula, which would include both positive and negative aspects of evolution (44)." Citing Discovery Institute's Report on the Texas Textbooks, he laments:

    [S]everal of the textbooks continued to incorrectly promote the debunked Miller-Urey origin of life experiment, the long-discredited claims about nonfunctional appendix and tonsils, and the fraudulent embryo drawings from Ernst Haeckel. In essence, current biology students, aspiring medical students, and future scientists are not being taught the whole story. Rather, evidence suggests that they continue to receive incorrect and incomplete material that exaggerates the effect of random mutation and natural selection to account for DNA, the cell, or the transition from species to species.
    Kuhn concludes, "It is therefore time to sharpen the minds of students, biologists, and physicians for the possibility of a new paradigm."

    CSC - Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design (Annotated)

    Then they are lying?
    From your link:
    THE CENTER FOR SCIENCE AND CULTURE Started in 1996, the Center for Science and Culture is a Discovery Institute program which:
    supports research by scientists and other scholars challenging various aspects of neo-Darwinian theory;
    supports research by scientists and other scholars developing the scientific theory known as intelligent design;
    supports research by scientists and scholars in the social sciences and humanities exploring the impact of scientific materialism on culture.
    encourages schools to improve science education by teaching students more fully about the theory of evolution, including the theory's scientific weaknesses as well is its strengths.
    They call intelligent design a "Scientific Theory". Their entire motive is to promote Intelligent Design . . . the entire scientific motive behind evolution has been to disprove it . . . that is how science works. One guy makes a discovery and another tries to prove him wrong. While those rallying behind intelligent design, and who want to equate it with science, spend their entire time manipulating information to fit their view.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows





    Okay - who here rejects evolution?

    Show of hands please.


    "Republicans" are growing skeptical???? Really?

    Like there's growing evidence against evolution?


    I reject evolution. I think it's crap.

    Also, did you know that there was once a debate between two guys named Wilberforce and Huxley, and Wilberforce asked Huxley "Was it through your grandmother or your grandfather that you're descended from a monkey?"

    Just thought I'd throw that historical gem out there for the sake of knowledge.

    Also, did you know that there is an Australopithecus named Lucy who some believe is an ancestor of us all? Far out huh?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I reject evolution. I think it's crap.

    Also, did you know that there was once a debate between two guys named Wilberforce and Huxley, and Wilberforce asked Huxley "Was it through your grandmother or your grandfather that you're descended from a monkey?"

    Just thought I'd throw that historical gem out there for the sake of knowledge.

    Also, did you know that there is an Australopithecus named Lucy who some believe is an ancestor of us all? Far out huh?
    We did not evolve from monkeys. That is a common misunderstanding from those not familiar with the Theory of Evolution. I'm not saying you are not familiar, I'm just saying that a lot of people who are less informed on the subject seem to suggest this all the time.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Aekos View Post
    No one caused evolution to happen. There was no cause. It occurs because of the structure of organisms and the way life interacts on Earth. It is a spontaneous occurrence.
    Ok.........
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    If people do are do not believe in evolution, is irrelevant, and impacts almost no one.
    I would more concerned about the number of people who believe the Goverment
    is the solution to their problems.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    If people do are do not believe in evolution, is irrelevant, and impacts almost no one.
    I would more concerned about the number of people who believe the Goverment
    is the solution to their problems.
    What a craptacularly worthless and inane post.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I reject evolution. I think it's crap.

    Also, did you know that there was once a debate between two guys named Wilberforce and Huxley, and Wilberforce asked Huxley "Was it through your grandmother or your grandfather that you're descended from a monkey?"

    Just thought I'd throw that historical gem out there for the sake of knowledge.

    Also, did you know that there is an Australopithecus named Lucy who some believe is an ancestor of us all? Far out huh?

    #1) We did not evolve FROM chimpanzees.

    #2) Do you reject gravity?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I reject evolution. I think it's crap.

    Also, did you know that there was once a debate between two guys named Wilberforce and Huxley, and Wilberforce asked Huxley "Was it through your grandmother or your grandfather that you're descended from a monkey?"

    Just thought I'd throw that historical gem out there for the sake of knowledge.

    Also, did you know that there is an Australopithecus named Lucy who some believe is an ancestor of us all? Far out huh?

    I'm not sure if you're being serious, but read this and this to understand who we actually evolved from and our relation to primates.

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