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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can you explain what is wrong with this quote?

    "Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Through the study and analysis of a system's components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion approximately 530 million years ago. "

    Intelligent Design
    It's pseudo-science...

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so just trying to understand here, so when these people say this:

    "This article by Dr. Joseph Kuhn of the Department of Surgery at Baylor University Medical Center appeared in the peer-reviewed journal Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings. It poses a number of challenges to both chemical and biological evolution, including:


    CSC - Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design (Annotated)

    Then they are lying?
    So, that site....CSC - About CSC

    Is specifically FOR the promotion of Intelligent Design.

    Kuhn's statements are even taken out of context....he did not do that research to support ID (that I saw).

    Most scientists CHALLENGE pieces of current theory...how do you think they learn more, make discoveries, get funding? I'm not a scientist but I saw things in there that threw red flags for me based on what I have studied.

    --not all text books are up to date or updated regularly...that is not evidence of anything
    --an 'explosion' of fossils from a particular period may not mean anything more than a particular location or locations were discovered or geologic or other disturbances revealed them or that different environmental conditions (oceans draining, volcanic activity, flooding, geological layering and composition, etc) preserved more or exposed more fossils during a period.
    --vision, digestive systems, all that have been very adequately explained...and accepted. Where is the evidence that disputes those explanations?

    But my point stands: sounds really good right? Real convincing? Plenty of 'real science' in there and neither you or I are in the position to challenge it, are we?

    That is why it's important to examine your sources carefully and read many.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Views like religious beliefs and/or morals or views like algebra?
    Whatever type of religious view I hold, how does that hurt or harm you? How does anyone's else's religious views or lack there of hurt or harm you? They don't. One goes to public school to learn the core subject of math, English, science etc and to church and Sunday school to learn and renew their faith.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If so, I do not think it will get far. Hopefully a little common sense will apply. There are always those who try to force their views on others. Whoever it is or whatever it is about, that is not right.
    Sure, but what I find disturbing is that this is still happening in 2011, etc. So all bets on common sense are off IMO.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't know, I just envision an Albert Einstein being raised by parents like that, and shudder. How many great minds have we lost to this kind of thing?
    Probably none. If a person has a great mind he is smart enough to recognize something made up and what reality is. By nature humans are curious, those who are the most curious will sever anything that binds them from satisfying that curiosity.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sure, but what I find disturbing is that this is still happening in 2011, etc. So all bets on common sense are off IMO.
    LOL, I have known very few politicians with common sense whether they be school board, mayors, congressmen etc.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He should be clear then.
    He was clearly referring to religious fundamentalists (a term which has a clear meaning) which is not the same as 'everyone who is religious"
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    I agree. If people aren't getting religious training at home I seriously doubt anything you learn in school is going to make much difference.
    I see both sides of this issue and if I were to play devil's advocate for the pro-religion side I would say this: "we aren't looking for everyone in a public school to be christian or believe in anything christians believe in, but there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that the people who created the country will all live in did have christian beliefs, and many of those believe contributed directly to the overall fabric of the country as a whole."

    i see nothing wrong with that

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He should be clear then.
    No, you should read better. First off, you snipped one sentence out of the entire conversation. If you'd actually bothered to read the rest of the conversation, you'd have seen I explicitly said this did not apply to everyone. And I explicitly said there were numerous Christians who advance various scientific fields. Then, even the one sentence you did decide to quote? Referred specifically to religious fundamentalists, which is clearly a minority group within the religious community and not every religious person. Even the rest of that post alone quite clearly was referring to a particular group, not every religious person.

    I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you didn't read the rest of the conversation. The alternatives are you being either a liar or stupid.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Well, I am not a republican or a christian. I am a libertarian

    and an atheist. That said, I am a bit skeptical of evolution as an explanation for how we all came to exist here on planet earth.

    Darwin's theory of evolution has benefitted greatly in this grand debate by the simple fact that it's primary(only, really) competitor is something as absurd as the biblical creation story. Of course evolution looks like a slam dunk winner next to that. Anyone who dares question evolution, let alone reject it, risks being labeled a crackpot bible thumper regardless of the fact they may never have indicated support for the creation story.
    ...so there is that. It has gone largely unchallenged in the broad secular world. Is there any other competing scientific theory? Not that i know of. Perhaps the debate was so polarizing that the instict to defend evolution has stifled healthy skepticism.

    My understanding of Darwins theory is basically this;random genetic mutations lead to more successful reproduction, thus the mutation is passed on, so on and so forth. Natural selection favors those individuals among a given species who have the beneficial mutated gene, so over time they branch off from the species and the group that does not have the mutation eventually becomes extinct. (Darwins "dead end" species) right so far?

    So now the questions.

    How does random beneficial mutation create a functioning organ? How many mutations would it take to create a venom gland, for example?

    It seems to me that evolution, as described above, would proceed at a fairly regular and steady pace over the many hundreds of millions of years that life has been "evolving". Wouldn't you agree? But if im not mistaken, the rate at which new species or phyla appear has not been steady at all has it? When was the last time a new phyla appeared? How would the 30 million years that preceeded today compare with other periods of earth's history as it regards the appearance of new species or phyla?

    What is the rate of mutation for dna molecules?


    It seems to me there may be plenty of good reasons to be skeptical about evolution as an answer to the question of our existence. Please understand, I know that animals evolve. I know evolution is real, for what that is worth. I can see fossil evidence that horses were small and now they are big, for example. Hehe. But that is far from turning a single cell organism into Sophia Vergara in a mere 4.6 billion years.

    by the way. How many of those "dead end species" have we found fossil evidence of so far?


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