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One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows[W:571]

Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

I agree .. which is why God only exists in the minds of believers.

Science exists for everyone.

Science can't explain everything though. If it could, then we may have a different story. And it's not like believers turn their backs on all form of science. Many many Christians, like myself, know for a fact that micro-evolution exists. It's just a bit of a leap of faith to think in a single generation, you should have fish come out and walk on the sea. Or somehow warm blooded mammals evolved as the temperature suddenly got colder. Over several millennium sure, but to happen so quickly? Just too many questions marks for myself is all. Things like Macro-Evolution and Supercontinents, aren't going to effect every day life like other scientific fields will. So, I'm content to those sciences.
 
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And you have just demonstrated the attitude so prevalent among some on the right in America that explains why so many of them do not accept the science behind evolution. You are presented with evidence that goes against a preconceived notion your part, and rather than accepting it, you simply respond with "Not buying' it."

We also live in an age where our news media is proven itself to be unabashedly bias, and agenda op-ed driven. We have a society where one side is doing everything it can to label the believers, as nuts, while those labeling them are considering themselves enlightened...This IMHO, is as dangerous as being a non believer of Islam in the ME these days.
 
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"If you believe in a God you don't know Gods processes or exactly how he made man, only that he did."

I responded to your comment by saying that the believer believes that God made man, it doesn't mean that God did, or that there is even such a thing as God.

Your comment suggests the he knows that God did.

I was pointing out the difference between knowledge and belief.

holy **** bro. I said IF (pretty key word) you believe in God. You got some issues. IF you believe does not imply facts.
 
Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

Science can't explain everything though. If it could, then we may have a different story. And it's not like believers turn their backs on all form of science. Many many Christians, like myself, know for a fact that micro-evolution exists. It's just a bit of a leap of faith to think in a single generation, you should have fish come out and walk on the sea. Or somehow warm blooded mammals evolved as the temperature suddenly got colder. Over several millennium sure, but to happen so quickly? Just too many questions marks for myself is all. Things like Macro-Evolution and Supercontinents, aren't going to effect every day life like other scientific fields will. So, I'm content to those sciences.

I have no argument with that brother.

However, the point I made is that science exists for everyone, religion and the God it represents exists only for believers. Religion rarely touches on science, it's mostly philosophical and geared towards the emotional.

Although you aren't one of them, obviously there are far too many believers who don't believe in science.
 
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Says the Republican from Louisiana. I think we all know how educated that group is.

Nothing is funnier than to hear someone from North Carolina complain about someone else's education. :lamo
 
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holy **** bro. I said IF (pretty key word) you believe in God. You got some issues. IF you believe does not imply facts.

I'm lost.

IF someone believes that God did anything .. they only believe that. IF they believe it, it doesn't make it fact.

Point being, religion is belief .. that's all it is.
 
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I'm with powerrob on this.

This seems more of a reaction than an actual belief.

It's "Democrats/Independents/Youth/Minorities/anyone who isn't an old angry white man accepts evolution, therefore I reject it."

I imagine it has morphed into one of those ideas that are seen as attacking "traditional values". With that said, I would be interested in reading up on the methodology of the poll, to get a better idea of what exactly who and what they were asking. On such a contentious topic (which it in no way needs to be), those things can drive the response rather heavily
 
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I don't think you guys appreciate how bad this truly is.

To give you a comparison, this is as bad as saying that 33% of Americans believe that the Earth orbits the Sun.

I am outraged by this.



Yeah, it's beyond stupid, but get some traveling under your belt and you might realize stupidity isn't exactly in short supply in the world
 
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Nothing is funnier than to hear someone from North Carolina complain about someone else's education. :lamo

NC has tons of universities and two great ones. Chapel hill has the most PhDs per capita of anywhere
 
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Its amazing really when you think America has been the leaders in science for decades now, put computers in our homes, helped invent the internet and put a man on the moon. It's easy to how diverse a country America really is in terms of the population.

I think many people not from here fail to realize how huge america is, especially many Europeans (If I recall correctly you've spend some time living here and raiding us for our women folk).
 
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I think many people not from here fail to realize how huge america is, especially many Europeans (If I recall correctly you've spend some time living here and raiding us for our women folk).

yeh its true and its something I learned very quickly, New England is almost a different country than Texas ( one example)
 
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That depends how we define speciation. Hawaiian fruit flies have evolved into new species in 50 years. And the whole notion of dogs has resulted in a huge number of variety, many of which are unable to breed with each other in a geological heartbeat span of tie. The notion of species is really a man made concept. How do we define what is a species and when it stops and when a new one begins? That's man made.

Isn't it defined as when the two can no longer breed with each other?
 
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I would like to clarify that I refer to the fundamentalist Christians.

Thank God for the fundamentalist Christian, it's the only hope this country has to recover from the damage those like you have done.
 
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The more fundamentalist you as a person of the book, the more likely you accept creationism. I always thought it was kind of funny how die hard super religious conservatives share a number of beliefs with Islamic crazies. And the ultra conservative Jews are in some ways no different from the ultra conservative Muslims.

Too true. Fundamentalism: the great religious equalizer.
 
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Thank God for the fundamentalist Christian, it's the only hope this country has to recover from the damage those like you have done.

I would be comfortable saying that fundamentalist Christians are as crazy as scientologists. None of them are educated.
 
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I would be comfortable saying that fundamentalist Christians are as crazy as scientologists. None of them are educated.

That is a downright lie, and you should know it.
 
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It's not like there aren't holes in the theory of Evolution anyways. Heck that theory has been under revision since Darwin first presented it. So if it's a choice to of putting my faith in a plan that has more holes than Swiss cheese, or in my God, than that's where it will rest. All that being said, I think arguing the point is mute from a religious perspective. If we truly could prove that God created everything, than there would be no reason for faith.

Which holes do you perceive?
 
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People of faith will always be attacked by those who refuse to understand them, or truly believe in true freedom.
 
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I knew I should have qualified. Doesnt mean the mutations or traits are negative to OUR uses or even the pets or livestock or crops themselves. Just that they would NOT be beneficial in natural populations.

And we pay the price for focusing on those 'mutations.' They are highly exploited and we see the consequences in overbreeding everywhere. I see it in dogs and horses. Certain lines of cutting horses in the Quarter Horse breed have concentrated a gene for a disease that affects skin collagen and causes the skin to tear easily...like when a saddle is used. It took from about the 60's to 8 yrs ago before the gene....extremely rare before...become common in those lines....unfortunately when breeders focused on cow sense and other athletic abilities, the gene for HERDA was carried along with them....thru one sire (now that they've traced it...took yrs).

Other QH breeders have intentionally concentrated on a line of horses with a disease that weakens muscles and causes horse to collapse...all because the physiological "form" of the horse conforms to a certain look that became 'trendy.'

The examples among dog breeds are legion. As they are with crops.

We cannot (as yet) predict the results of our breeding efforts where we focus on only positive traits because genes are not 'solitary' things....well they are but they are grouped on our chromosomes in pieces and that shuffling cannot be predicted.

However for generations farmers and breeders and humans HAVE recognized the need for outbreeding.

I've yet to meet a purebred that wasn't crazy and/or have massive heart and breathing problems. I think that we've already reached a point where we need to either let purebreds go entirely or risk seeing health problems even more severe than we already have. Adopt a mutt: it's good for you, it's good for the dog.

As for crops, I heard a report that the banana (the aforementioned nightmare of atheists everywhere) is completely genetically homogeneous, and in fact it is entirely the same strain. An expert said that all it will take is just one fungus to attack that strain, the spread will be practically uncontrollable, and it's goodbye banana.
 
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That is a downright lie, and you should know it.

I guess, but the 'educated' ones are insane on the level of mental illness. People like Kurt young should know better.
 
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I'm lost.

IF someone believes that God did anything .. they only believe that. IF they believe it, it doesn't make it fact.

Point being, religion is belief .. that's all it is.

Yes, everyone knows that. What do you see this as contributing to the discussion?
 
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I guess, but the 'educated' ones are insane on the level of mental illness. People like Kurt young should know better.

Nice, so now it is a mental illness to be a Christian....Aren't you special.
 
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People of faith will always be attacked by those who refuse to understand them, or truly believe in true freedom.

People who cling to ignorance deserve criticism. God gave you reason and intellect, and it wasn't just to watch you abandon them. The earth is not 6,000-10,000 years old. That's just reality. If someone's interpretation of the bible leads them to believe the earth is that young, they are wrong. God would want them to see the truth.
 
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