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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So was Calvin Coolidge.



    Al Gore's mansion is in Nashville, which last I checked wasn't near the ocean.


    EDIT: He also has a place in Montecito, Calif. Also not near the ocean, but closer than Nashville.
    Hey Kobie, what do you think is going to happen with our utility bills if THIS stuff ever goes through?

    Earlier this month, Democrats in the House and Senate released draft legislation that put a gradually increasing price on carbon emissions to reduce the use of carbon-heavy energy sources, like coal. A move which was cheered on by environmental groups.

    “It rightly sets aggressive goals and builds on the progress already underway to clean up pollution from our cars, trucks and new power plants,” said Franz Matzner, associate director of government affairs at the Natural Resources Defense Council. “Confronting climate change, though, will require the use of current authority to cut emissions, in addition to complementary measures such as those in the draft bill.”

    Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and California Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer also introduced legislation to put a fee on carbon emissions which would fund green-energy projects such as wind, solar, geothermal and biomass.


    Read more: Al Gore says now is the time for a carbon tax | The Daily Caller

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How did this thread get so derailed?

    Why are a majority of those who vote for one party rejecting science? That is the question of the day, I think.
    such science has been politicized.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    such science has been politicized.
    Same as it ever was.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    PRINCESSES, can we get back to the topic?

    Creationism has been debunked for decades and evidence for evolution has been mounted for hundreds of years.

    It's not comparable to voting for a candidate where you often have less than a few months to decide.

    The Cliffs of Dover have been around for eons and show evolution literally in stone. Let's get back to how Creationist are stupid
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the dem congress had nothing to do with that
    The buck stops at the presidents desk, but then we're off topic.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If humans evolved from monkeys, specifically chimps, then why are there still chimps?
    *sobs*
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    I just read this article. This shows how unbelievably stupid Americans are. Its frightening that acceptance of science is the same rate here as it is in Muslim countries.

    Christianity is more detrimental than all of the infectious diseases in the USA.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    *sobs*
    Aw, don't worry, although I was being just a bit tongue in cheek there, it is striking that the reply to it was a wiki page listing "the Ministry of Creationism" as authoritative source. Look, I don't have all the answers, and neither do those who argue evolution, as evidenced above by a poster, not interested in anything but calling those who believe in creation names, and stupid. Great debate right?
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    And then we have complex multi-cellular forms in competition with pathogenic asexual single cell forms which are able to mutate far more quickly. And yet, so far at least, no single sell form has succeeded in wiping out other forms entirely. That really shouldn't be all that difficult either. In other words, with the incentive simple life has to fill the world with it own form, and given that bacteria for instance can mutate so very fast, why has no bacterium ever eliminated all the competition?
    This is an interesting point and I thank you. I've never seen anybody present it before. Factors such as: area covered by the species, adaptation to environments, reproduction speed of the species (and thus regeneration of populations) seem to be responsible for answering the question of why there isn't a super bacteria that has annihilated them all. It seem statistically improvable for one species of any kind to wipe out another when both species are native to the environment. Why is it lions haven't wiped out gazelles or wilder beasts? One has evolved to be the prey and the other to be a predator so with such simple data, we might conclude that lions will eventually wipe out their prey. However, we know this isn't true because well lions don't breed in the same numbers as their prey. If anything, the prey easily outnumbers the predator 1000 to 1. The same may apply in the microscopic world. Bacteria who feed on other bacteria may be outnumbered by their prey.

    Food sources also plays a role. Bacteria can literally feed on almost anything. So where as one type of bacteria may feed on say plant A exclusively, a second type of bacteria may only feed on the carcass' of animals. This makes it improvable that one bacteria would overcome all others.

    I can say that only in environments which have been altered by humans have we seen one species destroy another. We introduced certain plants into Victoria Lake (Namibia) a century ago. Today, the plants have destroyed the cichlid population and threaten to completely wipe it out. In short, by altering the environment, we have successfully managed to destroy a habitat where species became extinct through natural processes (drought, favorable breeding conditions for native predators, competition for food sources).

    Now, if we take into consideration that some populations of bacteria can be contained within a petri dish, it seems unlikely that one could prevail over all others when you factor in weather, food sources, adaptations etc.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is an interesting point and I thank you. I've never seen anybody present it before. Factors such as: area covered by the species, adaptation to environments, reproduction speed of the species (and thus regeneration of populations) seem to be responsible for answering the question of why there isn't a super bacteria that has annihilated them all. It seem statistically improvable for one species of any kind to wipe out another when both species are native to the environment. Why is it lions haven't wiped out gazelles or wilder beasts? One has evolved to be the prey and the other to be a predator so with such simple data, we might conclude that lions will eventually wipe out their prey. However, we know this isn't true because well lions don't breed in the same numbers as their prey. If anything, the prey easily outnumbers the predator 1000 to 1. The same may apply in the microscopic world. Bacteria who feed on other bacteria may be outnumbered by their prey.

    Food sources also plays a role. Bacteria can literally feed on almost anything. So where as one type of bacteria may feed on say plant A exclusively, a second type of bacteria may only feed on the carcass' of animals. This makes it improvable that one bacteria would overcome all others.

    I can say that only in environments which have been altered by humans have we seen one species destroy another. We introduced certain plants into Victoria Lake (Namibia) a century ago. Today, the plants have destroyed the cichlid population and threaten to completely wipe it out. In short, by altering the environment, we have successfully managed to destroy a habitat where species became extinct through natural processes (drought, favorable breeding conditions for native predators, competition for food sources).

    Now, if we take into consideration that some populations of bacteria can be contained within a petri dish, it seems unlikely that one could prevail over all others when you factor in weather, food sources, adaptations etc.

    Why has no terrestrial predator ever eliminated all competitors? Or all pelagic (living in the ocean) predators eliminated all their competitors? Why arent eagles the ONLY avian predator still in existence?

    Because a species does not evolve in a vacuum. Again: evolution is nothing more than a RESPONSE to environmental change.

    Every living species on earth EXPLOITS its own niches within many diverse habitats. The ones that do not succeed disappear...eventually. Or, they adapt.

    So the competitive pressures of OTHER species...predators in this case....drive evolutionary genetic changes in directions where that species is or may be successful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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