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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I assume you are of the evolution side as being this "one side requires facts" crowd. Yet you do not tackle one of the 5 items I list the evolution side as having a problem with explaining....Why?
    Simple. Science doesn't yet have all the answers, nor does it pretend to. It doesn't hide behind 'mysterious ways' to document its evidence.

    Not sure why this is any point of contention. You can tell a believer anything. You can tell them that the earth was underwater for 40 days and nights, and a guy named Noah went out and collected two of every species of animals and put them on a boat.

    Science will tell you that civilizations existed before, during, and after Noah's flood .. thus it could not have happened.

    Facts are not required in religion, thus the comparison between religion and science is no comparison at all.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, isn't that convenient.....Almost the same as saying 'God created the heavens, and earth'....
    No, you're just attacking the wrong theory. I mean, the law of momentum doesn't describe how life first formed either, but you don't seem to suggest this means momentum is wrong.

    Evolution doesn't describe the origin of life and never has tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It makes perfect sense, really.

    Those who have not evolved just cannot imagine the process.



    If you could go back in time I doubt that you could find many Neanderthals interested in discussing evolution.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bacteria don't interbreed. What was that you said about biology courses?
    Bacterial reproduction most commonly occurs by a kind of cell division called binary fission. Binary fission results in the formation of two bacterial cells that are genetically identical. Binary fission is an effective way for bacteria to reproduce, however it does introduce problems. Since the cells produced through this type of reproduction are identical, they are all susceptible to the same types of antibiotics. Through bacterial recombination, bacteria can gain genetic variation by incorporating genes from other bacteria.
    Guess they covered bacterial recombination on your absent days.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Guess they covered bacterial recombination on your absent days.
    Wait a minute, so this change in DNA can cause...changes in the bacteria? You don't say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    IMHO, Agent J hits the nail on the head in this....The article is setting up a false dichotomy here...Although it is my own perception, and experience that new generations entering society seem to be dense when it comes to expanded thinking on subjects, recent generations are shallow, and self absorbed in their thinking which I think leads to this conclusion of PEW in the poll.

    [COLOR="#000080"]adpst also made a salient point early on, for those who believe in God. Which is to say that as a believer, God created everything, and also created evolution, as a part and whole of free will.



    My question is why would an omnipotent God, who could create perfect beings, need evolution?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if evolution is correct then what did life evolve from?
    Let me give it a try, the theory says at one point in time there were two populations of single cell species that developed an ability to create a gene flow between themselves. Eventually, environmental barriers isolated populations which caused genetic and phenotypic differences that accumulated over time. In the millions of years these organisms evolved and barriers were removed with the advent of the Earth's evolution, populations became reproductively isolated and became separate species that evolved differently to become what now lives on the Earth today.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait a minute, so this change in DNA can cause...changes in the bacteria? You don't say...
    Genetic variation. Throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks is no substitute for knowing the subject at hand. And still you have not arrived at any demonstration of macro evolution.

    You need to be reminded I suppose - I am not saying it does not exist. Just that we have not observed it as yet. We have hints and indications that suggest it might exist, but that's about where we are.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Genetic variation. Throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks is no substitute for knowing the subject at hand.
    So how do you handwave ring species then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Alot of people hold a belief that people are here as a result of creationism or evolution. Some people are going to stick with creationism. But one doesn't really negate the other. Science and religion dont negate one another. Science is nothing more than understanding the process that took place. It doesn't necessarily mean that a higher power didn't put that process in place. If you believe in a God you don't know Gods processes or exactly how he made man, only that he did.
    Evolution may be God's process of creation
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    Are you saying that God is not omnipotent?

    An omnipotent God would not need to use the process of evolution. He could just create perfect beings from the beginning.

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