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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    50,000 generations.

    Hundreds of intense environmental changes.

    And you call evolution science when you can't reproduce it in a lab?

    Come now.

    What about Mendels law? Can anyone address the recombinant problem this law creates for those who believe all life sprung from one progenitor?

    At what point did the first cells decide to form into more complex structures? How does Mendel fit in here?

    (Mendelian inheritance)

    The earth itself is the lab that has reproduced it endlessly. But if your in the group promoting the fairy tale version, by all means, god bless, go forward.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, thing is, it really does. The distinction between macro and mico evolution is an invention of creationists.
    That is completely wrong.

    There is NO observable macro-evolution on the planet. ONLY fossil speculation.

    There IS observable micro-evolution on the planet, and studied and verified in a lab.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Did anyone see this? I thought I had heard of the fruitfly thing before.

    CLAIM 1: Fruit fly generations have been studied longer than the presumed time man has been on earth
    Oh my goodness M2, did you have to?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    What transitory fossils?

    Don't just post a picture of a horse and giraffe

    (or my personal favorite - whale bones!)

    Who said the world is 6000 years old? Clearly, science shows its much older than that. (not conjecture, science)
    Transitional fossils:
    Dinosaur to bird; Archeopteryx----dated to 150-million years ago. Small bi-pedal dinosaur with feathers.

    From the fossil record dating back approximately 4-million years; Ardipithecus to modern human. We find the fossil record shows Ardipithecus evolving into Australopithecus. Somewhere between 2.75 and 3 million years ago early hominoids who walked bipedally began to emerge in Africa. Then came Homo erectus, then came Archaic Homo sapiens, and then the Modern Homo sapiens arrived.

    Fossil record, mitochondrial DNA, modern dating methods and science . . . what was I thinking.

    The following information came from 2-books;
    1. Anthopology, An Integrated Approach
    2. Taking Sides, Clashing Views on Controversial Issues in Anthropology

    Please feel free to Google, I just used some of my College Texts.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The earth itself is the lab that has reproduced it endlessly. But if your in the group promoting the fairy tale version, by all means, god bless, go forward.
    "the fairy tale version"

    Where the highly designed machinery of life, and all it's SYMBIOTIC relationships which MUST exist simultaneously, were created by an engineer outside of space-time.


    Isn't the real fairy tale the idea that the universe was generated by an explosion of ??????? and became us?

    One strand of DNA is VASTLY more complex than every single creation devised by mankind.

    A single bird wing shows more engineering than every flying device man has created.

    Hmmm .....

    DNA auto-corrects it's own errors. I wish I could write code like that!

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just as those that turn their nose up at religious belief, there are problems that exist with evolution as well...Here are at least 5 of them....

    1. No Viable Mechanism to Generate a Primordial Soup.

    2. Forming Polymers Requires Dehydration Synthesis

    3. RNA World Hypothesis Lacks Confirming Evidence

    4. Unguided Chemical Processes Cannot Explain the Origin of the Genetic Code.

    And the biggie...

    5. No Workable Model for the Origin of Life

    Solve those, and you have a real argument for evolution, as indisputable....But I don't think that either side has all the answers, or that either side is 100% right on the issue.
    One side requires facts, the other does not.

    Therein lies the insurmountable difference.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I thought it was 4000 years old.



    The Hebrew Calendar has traditionally, since the 4th century AD by Hillel II dated the creation to 3761 BC, But some scientists say that the age of the Earth is 4.54 + or - 0.05 billion years.

    Believe whatever you want to believe.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    Are you aware of the university study (over 60 years) where fruit flies were exposed to all manner of environmental changes (including radiation), 50,000 generations.

    Zero evolution.

    Fruit flies.

    I am aware of the studies, here's a bit about one - In an international study, the humble fruit fly gives clues to genetic adaptation and immune system evolution | Cornell Chronicle
    Here's another: Study of fruit fly chromosomes improves understanding of evolution, fertility

    I must assume the following is the basis for your rejection of reality: - 100 Years of Fruit Fly Tests Show No Evolution
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    One side requires facts, the other does not.

    Therein lies the insurmountable difference.
    I assume you are of the evolution side as being this "one side requires facts" crowd. Yet you do not tackle one of the 5 items I list the evolution side as having a problem with explaining....Why?
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just as those that turn their nose up at religious belief, there are problems that exist with evolution as well...Here are at least 5 of them....

    1. No Viable Mechanism to Generate a Primordial Soup.
    Evolution is not abiogenesis.

    2. Forming Polymers Requires Dehydration Synthesis
    Evolution is not abiogenesis.

    3. RNA World Hypothesis Lacks Confirming Evidence
    Evolution is not abiogenesis.

    4. Unguided Chemical Processes Cannot Explain the Origin of the Genetic Code.
    Evolution is not abiogenesis.


    5. No Workable Model for the Origin of Life
    Evolution is not abiogenesis.

    Solve those, and you have a real argument for evolution, as indisputable....But I don't think that either side has all the answers, or that either side is 100% right on the issue.
    No, solve those and you have a real argument for abiogenesis.
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