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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's a species of lizard that has some of its higher-altitude members starting to store eggs internally during incubation, then laying them just before they hatch. The lower-lying versions don't do this.
    Adaptaion does not equal macro evolution. When the higher elevation lizards become a separate species let us know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In a lab, scientists observed bacteria evolving the entirely new ability to metabolize citrus. For a bacteria, that's a pretty substantial change, going from being killed by a substance to actually thriving on it.
    Created the ability or observed the bacteria "evolving"? Did they spontaneously become a new species of bacteria?

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    50,000 generations.
    That's more than two per day. Fruit flies don't reproduce that fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In fact, when discussing evolution I might be embarrassed to mention it.
    50,000 generations.

    Hundreds of intense environmental changes.

    And you call evolution science when you can't reproduce it in a lab?

    Come now.

    What about Mendels law? Can anyone address the recombinant problem this law creates for those who believe all life sprung from one progenitor?

    At what point did the first cells decide to form into more complex structures? How does Mendel fit in here?

    (Mendelian inheritance)
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    It just dawned on me there is a singlecellorganism on a thread about evolution. Lets try not to offend it.
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    Slow exposure with SLOW change = billions of obvious transitions in the fossil record.

    Which doesn't exist.

    So you're doing nothing but speculating, poorly.
    The whole ****ing conversation is rife with speculation sir, else we would all agree and move on. It's not as though you just spoke the profound, now step down from your high chair!

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Adaptaion does not equal macro evolution.
    Well, thing is, it really does. The distinction between macro and mico evolution is an invention of creationists.
    When the higher elevation lizards become a separate species let us know.
    Read up on the term "ring species." The distinction between one species and another is somewhat arbitrary.

    Created the ability or observed the bacteria "evolving". Did they spontaneously become a new species of bacteria?
    The bacteria did it on their own merely by being exposed to an environment containing a lot of citrus for a long enough period. "Species" is a fuzzy term when it comes to a single-cell organism. Hell, it's fuzzy for us multicellular organisms too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Did anyone see this? I thought I had heard of the fruitfly thing before.

    CLAIM 1: Fruit fly generations have been studied longer than the presumed time man has been on earth
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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Adaptaion does not equal macro evolution. When the higher elevation lizards become a separate species let us know.



    Created the ability or observed the bacteria "evolving"? Did they spontaneously become a new species of bacteria?
    Exactly.

    Evolution is faith in the conjecture of 'modern' researchers.

    Not observable.

    Hence, not science, but speculation / philosophy / wishful thinking.

    The BEST evidence an evolutionist can present is micro-evolution. That is to say, adaptation within the type.

    See the Russian Silver Fox experiment for dramatic examples of the changes which can happen within 50 years.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    Exactly.

    Evolution is faith in the conjecture of 'modern' researchers.

    Not observable.

    Hence, not science, but speculation / philosophy / wishful thinking.
    So, a type of bacteria killed by citrus later being able to eat citrus and reproduce using it as fuel doesn't count as evolution? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

    Just as those that turn their nose up at religious belief, there are problems that exist with evolution as well...Here are at least 5 of them....

    1. No Viable Mechanism to Generate a Primordial Soup.

    2. Forming Polymers Requires Dehydration Synthesis

    3. RNA World Hypothesis Lacks Confirming Evidence

    4. Unguided Chemical Processes Cannot Explain the Origin of the Genetic Code.

    And the biggie...

    5. No Workable Model for the Origin of Life

    Solve those, and you have a real argument for evolution, as indisputable....But I don't think that either side has all the answers, or that either side is 100% right on the issue.
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