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Northern California counties revive an old idea for a breakaway state

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disneydude said:
Yes...it actually is. How many people do you think live in Tehama, Glenn or Siskiyou counties? There is no doubt that Northern California, if it were a state in and of itself, would be solidly dark blue.
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You have never been out of Ellay, have you?

I was born in Butte country (most populous of those counties in projected state, and barely on the liberal side), lived in Tehama (more sparsely populated, but solidly conservative), have worked in Shasta (second most populous and STRONGLY right wing), and have spent plenty of time in all the other counties. You think you know more living 500 miles away than I do being from the actual area?
 
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disneydude said:
No...I understand the difference....I just think it is a severely flawed system...when 2 Senators represent 25 million and 2 Senators represent less than a million. This is why I support California splitting. It would at least cut down the differential somewhat...and it would be two more liberal democratic senators.
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The senate was originally designed to be the State's representation in the Federal Government and still is, I suppose. But the way the state picks their senators does lead to a lot of confusion with people these days.

But I propose a compromise: Since you want it to be no different from the House, let's simply abolish the Senate. :peace
 
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disneydude said:
Yes...it actually is. How many people do you think live in Tehama, Glenn or Siskiyou counties? There is no doubt that Northern California, if it were a state in and of itself, would be solidly dark blue.
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I was born and raised in Placer County and it's more to the red side than blue.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
We're setting down a dark path if something like this was to go through. As a country, state, a community, we should be finding ways to unite us... not put in more divisions.
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Why? Some states, like mine, are very divided by their beliefs. And we place alot of responsibility on the states (and should place more IMO). If a state is being driven by agendas from...common example....one large metro area...but the rest are of a different lifestyle, beliefs, etc etc....why not?

I can think of answers on both sides. One for me would be another question: Is more division rather than connection a good thing for the US? But on the other hand, what about people's rights to determine their own lives under the Const, yet within the differences of a state?

It's an interesting topic. No, I cant see it happening because I havent see any legal grounds to allow it and only see it as a negative for the 2 bodies that apparently get to vote on it, CA Sacramento and then Congress.
 
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soon we are going to have neighborhoods split over political differences.
 
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Gardener said:
You have never been out of Ellay, have you?

I was born in Butte country (most populous of those counties in projected state, and barely on the liberal side), lived in Tehama (more sparsely populated, but solidly conservative), have worked in Shasta (second most populous and STRONGLY right wing), and have spent plenty of time in all the other counties. You think you know more living 500 miles away than I do being from the actual area?
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Anyone who knows what they are talking about would not even try to claim that a Northern California state would be anything other than solid dark blue. Sorry....but thats just a simple fact.
 
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clownboy said:
I was born and raised in Placer County and it's more to the red side than blue.
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We aren't talking just one county now are we? Southern California has Orange County and Riverside County (among others) that are red. Southern California State would remain a solid blue state, however.
 
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iacardsfan said:
soon we are going to have neighborhoods
split over political differences.
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Thanks to the great "unifier" no doubt.

Honestly, the plattitudes and bumper sticker slogans of the Democrat iniatives in 2008 were such lies.

Its incumbent of the Democrat party to divide and create divisions where there once was none.

Its one of their primary political tactics. Look what Peebo's doing now.
 
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disneydude said:
Anyone who knows what they are talking about would not even try to claim that a Northern California state would be anything other than solid dark blue. Sorry....but thats just a simple fact.
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Did you actually look to see the proposed outline of this new state, or are you just thinking it somehow includes all of northern California, including the obviously liberal bay area and wine country? It doesn't.

You are indulging in some very ignorant assumptions here.
 
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disneydude said:
Anyone who knows what they are talking about would not even try to claim that a Northern California state would be anything other than solid dark blue. Sorry....but thats just a simple fact.
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Northern California (Jefferson "state") is libertarian. So it's a mix of red and blue. In fact since 1996 that region has been Republican in all but 1 election when Jefferson County voted for Obama in 2008.

Sad part is in 1941, Jefferson was set to formally declare independence from California and Oregon but a little event called Pearl Harbor happened. The movement decided to focus on the war effort and not cause "a problem".
 
Take a US Politics 101 class, please.

disneydude said:
Anyone who knows what they are talking about would not even try to claim that a Northern California state would be anything other than solid dark blue. Sorry....but thats just a simple fact.
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No that is your VERY simple assertion, that was proven wrong by the facts. Also, "sparsely populated" is utterly irrelevant when talking about Senators, as is state size.
 
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Here is a list of counties involved from the article

Del Norte, Humboldt, Siskiyou, Shasta, Tehama, Glenn, Butte, Sutter, Yuba, Modoc. That is all of them. 10 counties. Of these counties, only Humboldt and Butte voted democrat, the latter only barely. All the rest of the counties voted republican, and even the most rudimentary number crunching that factors in population would reveal this to be a solidly republican state. I don't say this because I am a republican or somehow desire it to be republican. I vote left of center. I say this because I know a lot about the area having grown up there and being educated to the degree I can perform the number crunching.

Just because somebody who hasn't been there "has heard" that it is all liberal up there, or that "everybody knows" it is all liberal, that does not make it so.
 
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ludin said:
Northern California counties revive an old idea for a breakaway state - latimes.com

That is right. There is a bigger push than ever from the northern counties of CA to succeed.
They have grown tired of the crap coming out of sacremento and want their own state.

This is more difficult than what it seems. it would take a vote from the CA government and a congressional act which
more than likely will fail in the state first.

they are not the only counties in a state wanting to split. counties in CO want the same due to the same reasons.
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If they do, I may just have to move to California. :lol:
 
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Gardener said:
Here is a list of counties involved from the article

Del Norte, Humboldt, Siskiyou, Shasta, Tehama, Glenn, Butte, Sutter, Yuba, Modoc. That is all of them. 10 counties. Of these counties, only Humboldt and Butte voted democrat, the latter only barely. All the rest of the counties voted republican, and even the most rudimentary number crunching that factors in population would reveal this to be a solidly republican state. I don't say this because I am a republican or somehow desire it to be republican. I vote left of center. I say this because I know a lot about the area having grown up there and being educated to the degree I can perform the number crunching.

Just because somebody who hasn't been there "has heard" that it is all liberal up there, or that "everybody knows" it is all liberal, that does not make it so.
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That sucks, I'm sure Placer County would want to be onboard too.
 
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ludin said:
Northern California counties revive an old idea for a breakaway state - latimes.com

That is right. There is a bigger push than ever from the northern counties of CA to succeed.
They have grown tired of the crap coming out of sacremento and want their own state.
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This is more difficult than what it seems. it would take a vote from the CA government and a congressional act which
more than likely will fail in the state first.

they are not the only counties in a state wanting to split. counties in CO want the same due to the same reasons.
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Anyone who dreams of splitting California or other states up will go to their grave unhappy because it is not going to happen-No matter how many time-wasting threads like this are posted on the internet.
 
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shrubnose said:
Anyone who dreams of splitting California up will go to their grave unhappy because it is not going to happen-No matter how many time-wasting threads like this are posted on the internet.
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You're right. Much more sentiment for it back in my parents' generation and they still couldn't pull it off. Might as well be stumping for Ecotopia.
 
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Here is the breakdown in vote for president in the 2012 election by the counties in this proposed state of Jefferson.

Del Norte 3791 Obama 4614 Romney
Humboldt 34457 Obama 18825 Romney
Siskiyou 8044 Obama 11076 Romney
Shasta 25819 Obama 48067 Romney
Tehama 7934 Obama 14235 Romney
Glenn 3301 Obama 5632 Romney
Butte 42269 Obama 44479 Romney
Sutter 12192 Obama 18122 Romney
Yuba 7711 Obama 11275 Romney
Modoc 1113 Obama 2779 Romney.

Anybody able to add up 2 columns of numbers? Anybody? Anybody? Ferris?
 
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disneydude said:
I fully support this. It would mean two more democratic senators. Additionally, California is way under-represented in Washington.
Why should a state like Wyoming or Idaho, with less than a million people have the same number of senators as California with 25 million people?
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Because that's the way that the United States Constitution says that it's going to be?
 
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clownboy said:
That sucks, I'm sure Placer County would want to be onboard too.
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I've seen a number of different proposals over the years, most of them including Placer, Trinity, etc, as well as several in Southern Oregon.
 
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lizzie said:
If they do, I may just have to move to California. :lol:
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Now, I'm rooting for it, too!


ulterior motives and all........
 
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Gardener said:
I've seen a number of different proposals over the years, most of them including Placer, Trinity, etc, as well as several in Southern Oregon.
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That would make sense. Take Ashland out of the picture and Southern Oregon has a decidely different political leaning than most of the cities in Oregon's north.
 
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Gardener said:
Now, I'm rooting for it, too!


ulterior motives and all........
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:lol:

You? Ulterior motives? No way, Jose. (see? I can already speak the language needed for the move)
 
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disneydude said:
No...I understand quite well. As a Californian, you are probably aware that the orange areas on your map are the sparsely populated counties. Anyone in California knows that while both Southern California and Northern California trend more liberal than conservative, Northern California is definitely more liberal than Southern California.
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Really sparsely populated eh? The San Joaquin valley is sparsely populated, orange county is sparsely populated. Really?
 
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clownboy said:
That would make sense. Take Ashland out of the picture and Southern Oregon has a decidely different political leaning than most of the cities in Oregon's north.
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Yep. I'd say pretty much everything south of Roseburg.


I think Ashland is what it is because of the Shakespeare festival and being the place right across the state line that attracts folks from the Bay area.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
We're setting down a dark path if something like this was to go through. As a country, state, a community, we should be finding ways to unite us... not put in more divisions.
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We are continually told that monopolies are bad and competition is good until it comes to government when all of a sudden competition is bad. The logic (or lack thereof) is mystifying!
 
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